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UnprotectdPilot 03-13-2020 02:50 AM

The end of forced upgrades?
 
One bonus of COVID-19 is that it’ll potentially let Envoy play a little catch up on staffing. Granted, there weren’t any displacements for upgrade or no the last vacancy bid, but it was rather small.

Also, with AA talking about capacity cuts and potential E190, 757, 767, and 330 retirements, flow might be coming to an end for awhile. Time to get comfy in your seat and start coming up with alternative plans if AA goes BK again...

NoValueAviator 03-13-2020 05:07 AM

ah yes, what a boon. a glut of pilots devalues our labor and Envoy gets caught up on staffing. I’m sure they will approve lots of good LOAs needed to fix reserve and other issues while also approving drops in this environment

MqWhistleblower 03-13-2020 05:42 AM

I wonder if the DECs are going to get displaced to FO

pitchattitude 03-13-2020 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 2996523)
Thats what I'm worried about with only a handful of CAs below me. On top of that I was displaced to captain on a jet I was never an FO on.

Almost without exception, most FOs start out on a plane they have never been an FO on either!

SkylineAviation 03-13-2020 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by UnprotectdPilot (Post 2996387)
One bonus of COVID-19 is that it’ll potentially let Envoy play a little catch up on staffing. Granted, there weren’t any displacements for upgrade or no the last vacancy bid, but it was rather small.

Also, with AA talking about capacity cuts and potential E190, 757, 767, and 330 retirements, flow might be coming to an end for awhile. Time to get comfy in your seat and start coming up with alternative plans if AA goes BK again...

Not just talked about, it’s been announced 767 grounded in May. 757 end of summer 2021

Cyio 03-13-2020 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by SkylineAviation (Post 2996585)
Not just talked about, it’s been announced 767 grounded in May. 757 end of summer 2021

The MD80 was scheduled to go for about a decade before it actually went. We shall see.

SkylineAviation 03-13-2020 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2996586)
The MD80 was scheduled to go for about a decade before it actually went. We shall see.

I hope it doesn’t happen either but comparing the reasons for them announcing accelerating these groundings to the md80 is not fair

wiz5422 03-13-2020 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by SkylineAviation (Post 2996585)
Not just talked about, it’s been announced 767 grounded in May. 757 end of summer 2021

With the accelerated reduction, the trickle effect is going to be felt by all WO to remain in compliance with scope.

Cujo665 03-13-2020 12:23 PM

Delta just announced parking 300 jets. If something similar happens at AA, scope will force the parking of a mess of RJ’s.
Not good.

skyemiles2 03-13-2020 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2997006)
Delta just announced parking 300 jets. If something similar happens at AA, scope will force the parking of a mess of RJ’s.
Not good.

Would force majeure not apply in this situation, similar to the MAX? That would buy a few months before we’d have to park RJs, potentially enough to see the other side of this.

Cyio 03-13-2020 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2997006)
Delta just announced parking 300 jets. If something similar happens at AA, scope will force the parking of a mess of RJ’s.
Not good.

"Up to 300 Jets" is the correct term. They are not parking 300, but they could park up to that. Lets not throw more wood on the fire than we need too.

MEGAFUPM 03-13-2020 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2997086)
"Up to 300 Jets" is the correct term. They are not parking 300, but they could park up to that. Lets not throw more wood on the fire than we need too.

We also don't fly for Delta.

buddies8 03-13-2020 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM (Post 2997168)
We also don't fly for Delta.

but we secretly wish we did.

uavking 03-13-2020 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM (Post 2997168)
We also don't fly for Delta.

It's naive to think that AA and UA aren't headed in the same direction in this environment.

MqWhistleblower 03-13-2020 07:46 PM

DECS numbers have been updated. Furlough insight?

CLE to IAH 03-13-2020 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by MqWhistleblower (Post 2997500)
DECS numbers have been updated. Furlough insight?

sure. Considering they literally just TODAY said they will continue hiring.....

dera 03-13-2020 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by MqWhistleblower (Post 2997500)
DECS numbers have been updated. Furlough insight?

Or just the fact that DECS numbers usually update just before a vacancy bid?

MqWhistleblower 03-13-2020 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2997526)
Or just the fact that DECS numbers usually update just before a vacancy bid?

we shall see.

can we go back to AIP week? It wasn’t that bad

dera 03-13-2020 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by MqWhistleblower (Post 2997532)
we shall see.

can we go back to AIP week? It wasn’t that bad

I mean, you as a whistleblower know that DECS numbers have nothing to do with company seniority? So where do you pull this furlough crap from?

MqWhistleblower 03-13-2020 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2997539)
I mean, you as a whistleblower know that DECS numbers have nothing to do with company seniority? So where do you pull this furlough crap from?

All I’m saying is that I wouldn’t leave a green banana in the crew room if I was a new hire

Cyio 03-14-2020 03:16 AM


Originally Posted by uavking (Post 2997442)
It's naive to think that AA and UA aren't headed in the same direction in this environment.

Perhaps, perhaps not. UA and DL had a much larger financial impact for the EU closing due to their strategic partners. Even still, the stock market managed to claw some gains back and the three major airline stocks all closed up. These are good signs for us.

Cyio 03-14-2020 03:18 AM


Originally Posted by MqWhistleblower (Post 2997500)
DECS numbers have been updated. Furlough insight?

Has any company, regional or major talked about furloughing anyone? Seems that would be suicide in this market once this all passed. I would think a better and more likely solution would be to offer unpaid leave to those that want it, much like Delta has offered. This could solve the problem or at least buy some time.

MEGAFUPM 03-14-2020 03:28 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2997433)
but we secretly wish we did.

With their history of treating regionals worse than American and their DGI success rate are you sure about that?

NoValueAviator 03-14-2020 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2997639)
Has any company, regional or major talked about furloughing anyone? Seems that would be suicide in this market once this all passed. I would think a better and more likely solution would be to offer unpaid leave to those that want it, much like Delta has offered. This could solve the problem or at least buy some time.

Compass is furloughing. TSA is firing all pilots and closing down.

MEGAFUPM 03-14-2020 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2997705)
Compass is furloughing. TSA is firing all pilots and closing down.

TSA isn't firing "all" pilots. And them and compass were already letting people go before any of this started. No need to inflate things beyond the truth than they already are.

CLE to IAH 03-14-2020 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2997705)
Compass is furloughing. TSA is firing all pilots and closing down.

were you asleep when TSA made their announcement and the reasons for their issue?

if not, why are you pretending they’re related?

NoValueAviator 03-14-2020 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 2997710)
were you asleep when TSA made their announcement and the reasons for their issue?

if not, why are you pretending they’re related?

The question was “has any company talked about furloughing anyone” and the answer is obviously yes, and recently. You seem feverish.

paulhood 03-14-2020 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 2997710)
were you asleep when TSA made their announcement and the reasons for their issue?

if not, why are you pretending they’re related?

Both Compass and TSA received reductions from United, so even though they were already reducing flying, the COVID situation is accelerating the process, at TSA new hires were asked to resign, they were not planning on doing so, since they still needed pilots to finish the year and they were counting on attrition to take care of it, but with all the majors stopping new hire clases, then there is less attrition.

Also GoJet received reductions from United and Delta accelerated theirs by one month, an announcement was made to re-run the bids for April to avoid furloughs, also voluntary LOAs are being offered at this time.

Gooch 03-14-2020 07:11 AM

This morning I furloughed some of this panic and negativity into the DFW sewer system after breakfast and coffee. Does that count?

StuckOnReserve 03-14-2020 07:32 AM

The end of forced upgrades?
 

Originally Posted by paulhood (Post 2997720)
Both Compass and TSA received reductions from United, so even though they were already reducing flying, the COVID situation is accelerating the process, at TSA new hires were asked to resign, they were not planning on doing so, since they still needed pilots to finish the year and they were counting on attrition to take care of it, but with all the majors stopping new hire clases, then there is less attrition.



Also GoJet received reductions from United and Delta accelerated theirs by one month, an announcement was made to re-run the bids for April to avoid furloughs, also voluntary LOAs are being offered at this time.



Compass doesn’t operate for United, they only operate for AA and Delta (not much longer).

TSA was going to close up shop by end of year but still planned to be active for summer flying. Since UA has reduced their schedule for April and May the 145’s they were going to transfer to XJT over the next 90 days are all going at once. But TSA was still already a sinking ship with no chance of surviving before the virus.

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itsmytime 03-14-2020 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by StuckOnReserve (Post 2997821)
Compass doesn’t operate for United, they only operate for AA and Delta (not much longer).

TSA was going to close up shop by end of year but still planned to be active for summer flying. Since UA has reduced their schedule for April and May the 145’s they were going to transfer to XJT over the next 90 days are all going at once. But TSA was still already a sinking ship with no chance of surviving before the virus.

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amazing how people try to pile on to prove a point. The poster you were responding to didn’t even know who compass was flying for, yet was quick to lump them in with the United reductions.

CLE to IAH 03-14-2020 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2997716)
The question was “has any company talked about furloughing anyone” and the answer is obviously yes, and recently. You seem feverish.

the question was asked in the context of being related to covid. TSA is not. The compass reduction announcements came before we knew covid existed.

You already knew that though.

MqWhistleblower 03-14-2020 08:47 AM

GoJet is in talks with their union to furlough pilots if they don’t rerun their bid

6ix9ineYearFlow 03-14-2020 08:52 AM

TSH is circling the drain. It’s just a matter of time before 20x Compass operated ERJ-175s end up on Envoy property.

Cyio 03-14-2020 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2997705)
Compass is furloughing. TSA is firing all pilots and closing down.

My point and lets be honest you know this, was in regards to Covid. Both of those companies had draw downs announced over a month ago.

Paid2fly 03-14-2020 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by Gooch (Post 2997796)
This morning I furloughed some of this panic and negativity into the DFW sewer system after breakfast and coffee. Does that count?



Sure, why not?


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