Scope issues
 

So with AA parking 155 of our 175 wide bodies and getting rid of the 75/76 and the 190, I would wager a bet that our scope clause will have a major impact on how much flying the Eagle jets continue to do. By getting rid of those planes the already very close scope limitations might be in trouble. APA will not give concessions on our scope clause.

Food for thought.

Yeah, it’s possible they park Envoy jets to meet scope. Probably 140/145s.

If they need to cull large RJs I think it’ll be CRJs, probably from Mesa.

Scope only applies to narrow bodies. So the 76 doesn’t really affect us. With the 75/190s I believe we’d have 15 months to comply, so hope it wouldn’t be a long term issue.

Only the 190 and 75 have effect on scope.

I don't know the specifics of the details but they had 15 months to comply with the 737 max situation which may have us parking a couple 140s earlier than planned (we were gradually parking them anyway). I'd assume the same applies here.

15 months. I hope things stabilize by then. In any case, if we can't put butts in seats, scope won't matter.

Nor should they. That would be the last thing we would want as regional pilots is more regional flying. This will be painful in the short term, but will pay dividends later. We really want less regional flying so there is more mainline flying to do, thus getting us out from under the thumb of the regional management groups.

Your not flowing for a long while, history tells all and your wish for the detrement of an employee group has been noted. Have a free covid day.

huh?

/filler/

Are you referring to my previous post? If so please explain why flying more at the regional level is a good thing in the long term?

Long term, if you can realistically get hired at mainline, losing flying to them at the regional level is a good thing.

That's not what's happening though. We're all losing flying, and a few anxious mainline guys are divebombing our boards to flex on the poors because it makes them feel better about their own financial situations :rolleyes:

Long term things will return to normal and the retirements are going to happen regardless. If they relax on scope now it will only serve to lengthen the time you have to stay here.

The airlines are going to get bailouts to get them through this and people will start flying again, they have no other choice. Opinion obviously but it’s what I am sticking too.

is this English?

simple English of the new generation. Got question?

To much time binge watching the office?

So while the original post acknowledges the 150 parked widebodies it ignores the fact they in the same announcement they stated they would be parking 450 mainline aircraft. That’s 300 narrowbodies. Scope will be affected and yes APA will sacrifice the eagles to protect their own before they eat their young.

IDK how up to date the APC profile on AA is, but I don’t even count 150 wide bodies. (It still has the MDs)

I haven’t looked at the APC profile in years, but American has 170 767, 777 and 787 aircraft. 767s will not be returning as well as some early 777-200s

In a message yesterday, Robert Isom stated that as a result of the significant reductions we’ve made to our April schedule, we would be parking approximately 130 of our widebody aircraft and 320 of our narrowbodies. What wasn’t clear in the statement is that the 320 narrowbodies is inclusive of RJs. We are not parking 320 mainline narrowbody planes. Our apologies for any misunderstanding that may have caused.

Based on the current April schedule and considering the 55,000 plus flight cancelled in April so far, we will be flying approximately 450 fewer aircraft across our mainline andregional fleets. However, we are not placing any narrowbody aircraft in storage at this time. Instead, we will be moving those aircraft to various parking locations, so they are available as spares and ready if and when needed.

We take Scope very seriously. Schedule changes – even in these unprecedented times – don’t change that.

Kimball

What you expect him to say.

it already is an issue. With the max. While this may reset the clock I expect you are right about the mesa crjs because of when the cpa expires.

When me president, they see.

They see.

Just get a few keleven's in the books and this whole financial crisis will be sorted overnight.