Concessions
 

Still have a couple buds at Envoy. They are hearing rumblings of concessions to keep the flow in place. Any truth to this or just BS rumors?

Concessions
 

Rumors for now, but we don’t negotiate in public.


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I work there and I don't negotiate in public and nor should anyone else unless they like hurting our position and pilot group. So please ignore this thread and Email the reps.

-Keep the dirty side down

Are Pedro and Doug Parker taking concessions?

and yes, let’s not negotiate in public

Well let's start on how stupid that would be. What concessions can you give to keep flow going when aa is not hiring. Your friends are stupid as the flows at aa beating the drum for flowbacks.
bunch of company stooges out there trolling.

So why, other than “a couple of buds at Envoy” are you asking this? Seems like those “couple of buds at Envoy” could give you more info than trolling the Envoy forum.

troll. moderator please lock this up.

Why lock it up?

No negotiations happening anywhere right now. Co. still reeling from coronapocalypse.

BS rumor which you're perpetuating with this worthless thread

PF?? RW??? Is that you?

Before you guys consider concessions, read the following. Don’t do it!

Every employee, at every airline, should be raging pixxed right now.

https://www.epsilontheory.com/do-the-right-thing/

Fantastic article and you’re right it is angering to read.

Yeah, that guy gets it.

Any idea what the terms of the LOA are?

only hint is "cost savings," you could ask your rep if you work here

The only concessions I want to see are from our CEOs!

I was hoping someone would leak it, so we can start “negotiating in public.” 😆

Unfortunately "cost Savings" means a multitude of things. Wonder how long it'll take for the LOA to come out. End of the week?

You guys look like a bunch of amateurs. Management isn’t going to come directly to the pilots at this time looking for direct concessions of any kind. They’re all trying to get bailouts. The optics on that look awful. They are most likely negotiating for Leaves if Absence, reduced flying lines, etc...

If this turns out to be an extended downturn then yes, the tune will change and I’d expect them to come looking for concessions. Being cheap will be important. For now, no. We aren’t quite there yet.

Say NO to concessions. Let it burn

It took us almost 6 months to have a pay raise, and in weeks they want concessions? I wonder if the system is gonna take a long time to update our pay like it did with our pay raise.

I wish the pilot group had a vote on these “negotiations”. The last agreement got Envoy pilots additional flows and more money for the lifers, who was part of the negotiating committee? Lifers and guys who were close to flowing and couldn't wait to get out because “one more month at AA on the back end is worth a lot more” blah blah

I’ve never posted on here, but from the events I’ve witnessed over the past few years, we really shouldn’t be having a concessions conversation on here whatsoever. Without a doubt, those in power read these forums and gauge what we’d be willing to deal with. Just saying!

The company will get its bailout so there is no need for us to give up anything.

As to the vote comment above, surprisingly it looks like we will get a vote although they will be shortening the window from 10 days to something else.

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Sorry. But. Lol.

You'd think when you became a union rep you'd start to show some maturity. These are the pilots you "represent" and the way you decide to correct someone is to laugh in their face. Good going.

The majors have said even if they get a bailout they will only secure jobs until September 1. And I have a feeling were not included in that either.

He's not an Envoy pilot, he called Envoy pilots a bunch of amateurs, and posted a comment that is so far from reality that a laugh was an appropriate response.

Yeah I wouldn’t put anything past Envoy managment.

I believe this is correct.

Obviously, if this thing goes on for a year or more then yes the company will probably ask for concessions. But I think all the airlines are in a wait and see state right now. Most of the CEOs have even put out statements thinking this will only last a few months. What’s the point in asking for concessions now, when in a few months it’s very possible that hiring will be ramped right back up to where it was a few weeks ago and every new hire has options again? There’s no point even from a management perspective.

Come back to this thread near the end of May or middle of June and if improvements still don’t look likely anytime soon... then you might need to worry. For now, I don’t think management will ask for concessions anytime soon.

Do you work here? I ask because the company sent an loa that union sent back to them because it has things in it we couldn’t accept. To me that means concessions. They might not be financial concessions but certainly could be quality of life, schedule etc.

No, he works at PSA.

So, a question for those of us that were here before LOA 13-13, how did things work when CS could withhold open time?

Schedule type items I could see since all of the departure boards are 80% red in all the airports across the country right now. l don’t think pay will be looked at for at least another few months. I could also see leaves of absence being offered that are less attractive than what mainline was offered and the union is probably trying to get something similar.

Well, the company is hitting us up for major concessions and offering absolutely nothing in return.

~*~*~*~Draft LOA in your email.~*~*~*~

That’s great and thanks and all but how about you offer up advice to your PSA group.

We have no guarantee of when they will reestablish the letter. In my opinion we have to turn this letter down. We are dealing with RATS

None of what I said was advice. Never said yay or nay to anything. Just offering my perspective on how I think things will play out. But you’re right, where are my manners? I forgot no one ever comments on another company’s thread. Excuse me. Maybe if I would have posted all doom and gloom like everyone else you would be more accepting.

Basically the the company can determine any day they want to block the pick up of OT. So all OT would be blocked unless staffing was critical.

No, and not saying you’re hiding who you work for, just be more accepting if you let people know up front, ESPECIALLY because of who you work for and where you’re posting. There is a bit of history with some issues...