Fixed it for you.

Filler.

Not always the sole factor. For AA, it has always been a control issue, product/brand protection. Since the merger/bankruptcy cost factor has become more important to them then control & branding.

If you remember, prior to the bankruptcy merger, non owned feed providers were called American Connection. Only owned carriers were American Eagle. That was when the control and branding were more important.... back when having a top line global product was important, not trying to beat the LCC's at their own game.

People who were at Eagle before it was Envoy remember a day when the weren't MEL's all over the place, when something broke, it got fixed by the next day, two at most. A time when Eagle wings were hard to earn, not show up with 1450 hrs and fog a mirror. A time when a low time new hire was well over 3000TT if not much more. A time when the FO didn't immediately try to turn his cell phone on right after clearing the runway (after checking his GoPro of course). A time when guys wore the uniform correctly and proudly, with their hats, and no bakpacks and ear buds be-bopping through the terminal to the latest tune.

I digress.....

LOL

Cheers

Staples aren't really legal anymore, the sooner people realize it, the better.

I realize that most of the last paragraph was partially tongue in cheek, but...

I was an FO at EGL before ENY was even a gleam in Dan Garton’s eye.

I was hired at 1450hrs

No one had a GoPro, but many of my CAs had me taxiing in with pedals from 27R so they could pack up their sh*t and bolt the second the door opened.

My IOE CA as a NH met me in the terminal wearing tennis shoes and a backpack

The last three weeks I don’t think there has been a single MEL on any plane I’ve flown. That’s probably because half are parked in ABI and the other half fly two legs then terminate for the day...

Your memory might be a little affected by nostalgia :)

Let me guess. You predicted this would happen years ago.

Yeah, you're right.... probably should have specified pre/post-2004 for pilot stuff and after the bankruptcy for the major company changes like the MEL's and cheapening everything.

No, but I predicted you'd still claim to have a Military experience based upon your acting experience at playing Civil War reenactments..... which you later changed to claiming to have a Military background.

Nothing to predict here. The USAir management style was well known. It was culture shock for those at AMR who actually gave a crap about the product.

And what about all your predictions?

Go back to your pretend “military background” playing wannabe soldier.

you mean the same time they hired 3-400 hour pilots and a lot of those pilots failed their ATP?

I get your points but you can’t broad brush everything.

You still can't accept that I work for American Airlines while you have been reduced to working for a sleazy 36th St type outfit. That's what I'm getting out of your post here. Cuj speak as it were.

you’ve got issues. You’re the one fixated on me, creating new screen name variations of Cujo every few months. Get over it and move on pal.

True. They are now referred to as navel piercings.

Is that allowed in FM1, the upcoming revised edition?

well maybe BUT you shi+ head would not be at american from flow program or under any circumstance if not for people like him who enhanced flow as best they could.

so may I say furlough is in your future, bk, and 30 percent system wide reduction permanent after all is over.

Wrong. He had nothing, zero, zip, nada to do with implementing or increasing the flow. As you may have noticed, he comes on here and takes credit for anything and everything that can be construed as positive.....DAILY. He puts a lot of effort to show that he puts managements in their place with a single push of his hand, scales contracts for the benefit of the pilots in a single bound, taking no prisoners on a trek through ALPA HQ while he singlehandedly, alone, saves all the pilots.

Listen, I'm at AA but I'm just like you. We are both AA pilots. Your number just hasn't come up yet but it will and sooner than you think. American has mass retirements and they are early retiring over 1200. Pilots are going to be NEEDED. I'm not a hypocrite like some who flow and pull up the ladder. I considered myself AA at Envoy and I still point out wholeheartedly that you are as well.

The early retirements will be offset by all of the early retirements of the aircraft. All three majors have come out and said they will have smaller fleets after this so that too will slow down the need for flow. I dont think any of us still at Envoy will be seeing the front of an AA aircraft anytime soon. If I had to guess, this pandemic has added at least two years to everyones flow time, if not more.

I think that's a pretty optimistic take. I'm thinking closer to 4 years.

I can not possibly say anything strong enough on here against and about you without getting banned.

Envoy is NOT American. Period. End of statement. Even in the best of times NO ONE believes the sunshine you are trying to blow up people’s @$$.

Go away.

To the thkooj, how many pilots does aa need for 600 airplane fleet which is what aa will be for a long time after the end of covid19. Even after retirements aa will not be hiring for a long time to come. You should get ready for furlough.

Our, Envoys, contract puts it at 9.7 pilots per plane I believe.
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7800 using the post rule 117 standard of 13 pilots per hull. AA also has 49 MGT pilots, 1 VPFLT, and 31 Base CP, so add about 81ish there that don't fly, it fluctuates. Just add an extra 100 to cover all that stuff.
AA also has 496 Check Airman, 212 CRM guys, 650 MDSB and 13 still in Tulsa....

Current pilot breakup is
BOS 272
CLT 1492
DCA 642
LAX 2018
LGA 1485
MIA 2447
NHB 71
ORD 1056
PHL 1574
PHX 723
TUL 13

pre coronavirus passengers per base was:
DFW gets the most traffic at 23%; DCA the lowest at 3%, but only because LGA and JFK combined turn 5%. CLT gets 18%, MIA at 13%, ORD 12%, PHL 9%, LAX 7%, PHX 6%....

In order of departures per year it was:
DFW 284k
CLT 231k
ORD 165k
PHL 156k
MIA 117k
PHX 100k
DCA 84k
LAX 66k
LGA 54k
JFK 35k
Yes, I have the actual complete number, I just rounded down... except one I rounded up.

There's the numbers kids....

I'm sure the Kooj will be here shortly to claim it's a lie.....

This is great info but how does it now correlate to post pandemic? I am still working on second coffee so may be missing something glaringly obvious 😂

Just the first paragraph which responded to how many pilots it would take for post CV19 600 plane AA. The rest was more recent data pre corona...

#1. YOU DON'T EVEN WORK HERE.

Now, that said, your pilot totals per base are close and your departures are as well. That's information that any Tom, Dick or Harry can come up with and post here. However, you lost me at 600 plane fleet post COVID. I can't stop guffawing. You just can't take it that you are no longer in the know or right in the circle of information like I am now. Of course along with the fact that you don't work at American Airlines.

Your prediction here is TOTALLY FALSE. It's nothing more than you pulling a number out of your rear end and slapping it on here. Yes, of course there is a big draw down at present because of the virus. That doesn't indicate a 600 plane fleet going forward as we recover. How do I know? Well, I'm in on meetings that have covered some of the numbers most of which I can't share but wouldn't be comfortable doing even if I could....AT THIS MOMENT. Why don't you explain where you got your numbers? Oh wait, that's right. YOU CAN'T because you don't have any real information.

Case closed.

remember this prediction?

THE FLOW WILL NOT STOP.

your predictions are also, TOTALLY FALSE.

Someone else asked about a 600 airplane fleet. That’s where the number came from.

I’m confused. I thought you don’t work here either. This is an ENY board, I thought you claimed you flowed to AA?

Wrong. This is akin to a natural disaster or force of nature. You can't PREDICT that. AA has a temp freeze on hiring so during that time and that time alone, the flow is paused. Simple as that.

I did. I'm just not a hypocrite saying I'm AA at Envoy and then pulling up the ladder behind me. If you are Envoy, you are AA and vice versa.

The mental gymnastics you go through to always be right are insane.

no, no you’re not. you’re actually at envoy, which, believe it or not, isn’t AA.

had this same thing typed up...likes to hear himself talk.

You made that prediction AFTER COVID19 had started. I believe it was even after UA stopped hiring. You said you had inside info.

But THKooj couldn't PREDICT it! Still right!

There will be a 30% contraction across the board in the fall. And some airlines are likely to not even take the grants/loans from the Federal government and will likely begin furloughing and cutting before the fall. There will be more contraction in 2021 if demand doesn’t begin to show signs of returning. AA is at serious risk of declaring bankruptcy. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if some of their debt might not already be considered in default and they probably have people working on preliminary filings. I’m not being alarmist. I spoke with a senior hedge fund manager who knows quite a bit about the airline industry. AA is in for a very rough 5-10 years. Even if they declared and liquidated to pay debt they would be over $15B short on their obligations.

Anyone hitching their wagon to the AA Star may want to rethink that strategy. Flow is meaningless at this point. Let’s hope that they don’t come seeking pay cuts that are severely deep and other concessions that will set us all back many years. Get used to living on 75 hour (or hell maybe even 65 hour) min guarantee and at a 20-30% pay cut.

When hiring resumes it likely won’t be for at least 2-3 years and it won’t be at the legacies. If you want to sit and hope feel free. I’m preparing my exit.

What's meaningless here is your opining about something that you know nothing about. Nor does your "hedge fund friend." And by the way, if things are so dire, where do you plan to exit to? Delta?

I know much more than you do there bud. I do a lot outside of the flight deck in aviation. Keep being a weirdo on here all you want. You just look silly to everyone. My exit plans likely won’t involve a legacy in the near future. But they certainly won’t involve AA.

Hedge fund managers get beat by a monkey throwing darts at a board picking stocks so I don't really care what he has to say.

Says the pot calling the kettle black.

Pack it in and go back to playing soldier wanna be. No one wants you here. Or anywhere else really.

This. As someone who spent the better part of a decade dodging vindictive management at American eagle (Envoy), and did finally flow, I can 100% say you are not "AA" while at envoy. It doesn't matter how bad you want it to be true.

Other than a few former cadets trying to prop up their social media presence, the only one that seems to think, or at least say, Envoy = AA is THKooj. Why he insists on continuing to preach this inane drivel is something that is only in his delusional mind.