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Pedro4President 04-22-2020 01:21 PM

Bonuses vs pay scale
 
Times like these show pay scales are more important than bonuses the company can cancel. Anyone have any doubt the company would of canceled the FO retention bonus?

Thank you to all the union reps out there and the NC that finally pushed it through.

HalyardJammer 04-22-2020 11:39 PM


Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 3038508)
Times like these show pay scales are more important than bonuses the company can cancel. Anyone have any doubt the company would of canceled the FO retention bonus?

Thank you to all the union reps out there and the NC that finally pushed it through.

I would trade it all for some HardLemonade

pitchattitude 04-23-2020 03:41 AM


Originally Posted by HalyardJammer (Post 3038852)
I would trade it all for some HardLemonade

Now, now. No negotiating in public.

But you can suggest we get some HardLemonade. Does he do memes?🤣

chrisreedrules 04-23-2020 07:16 AM

Yes and no. If things are really bad enough pay rates won’t matter one way or the other. They’ll wipe them out in a bankruptcy contract or whipsaw to see who is willing to do the flying cheaper. There is no real leverage at a regional.

THKooj 04-23-2020 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3039003)
Yes and no. If things are really bad enough pay rates won’t matter one way or the other. They’ll wipe them out in a bankruptcy contract or whipsaw to see who is willing to do the flying cheaper. There is no real leverage at a regional.

Laughable that you are all over the forum touting yourself as an "expert." More so that you are here in the Envoy thread. You need to remember that Envoy was the original WO of AA and you guys and PDT just got lucky and got swept in on our coattails. Your flow percentages are far, far less than Envoy's and you and PDT play second fiddle to ENY so, who really cares if you think "They’ll wipe them out in a bankruptcy contract or whipsaw to see who is willing to do the flying cheaper." That's a totally false statement and you know it. Stick to the PSA thread.

But seriously 04-23-2020 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3039003)
Yes and no. If things are really bad enough pay rates won’t matter one way or the other. They’ll wipe them out in a bankruptcy contract or whipsaw to see who is willing to do the flying cheaper. There is no real leverage at a regional.


Yes and yes. It’s true that things could get worse, but pay is much more protected than bonuses. The bonuses would already be gone, while they haven’t (yet), tried to even open negotiations for pay rates.

Also, THKooj’s post is nonsense.

HulkaBurger 04-23-2020 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 3039074)

Also, THKooj’s post is nonsense.

This should be a sticky at the top of every forum.

Cyio 04-23-2020 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by HulkaBurger (Post 3039085)
This should be a sticky at the top of every forum.

He must be thrilled there isnt an up/down vote option on these forums or else nothing they say would ever be seen.

They do serve one purpose though and that is everything they say, just know the opposite it true.

Cujo665 04-23-2020 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3039039)
Laughable that you are all over the forum touting yourself as an "expert." More so that you are here in the Envoy thread. You need to remember that Envoy was the original WO of AA and you guys and PDT just got lucky and got swept in on our coattails. Your flow percentages are far, far less than Envoy's and you and PDT play second fiddle to ENY so, who really cares if you think "They’ll wipe them out in a bankruptcy contract or whipsaw to see who is willing to do the flying cheaper." That's a totally false statement and you know it. Stick to the PSA thread.

you’re seriously demented.

CLE to IAH 04-23-2020 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3039039)
Laughable that you are all over the forum touting yourself as an "expert." More so that you are here in the Envoy thread. You need to remember that Envoy was the original WO of AA and you guys and PDT just got lucky and got swept in on our coattails. Your flow percentages are far, far less than Envoy's and you and PDT play second fiddle to ENY so, who really cares if you think "They’ll wipe them out in a bankruptcy contract or whipsaw to see who is willing to do the flying cheaper." That's a totally false statement and you know it. Stick to the PSA thread.

You’re an idiot.


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