PSA Announces 35% of Pilots Furloughed Oct. 1
 

DAMAGE REPORT:

PSA has announced 1,141 furloughs.
- 723 pilots (35% of the seniority list)
- 418 Flight Attendants

An additional 45 Engineering/Maintenance positions will be eliminated and outsourced.

While Envoy & Piedmont are presently furloughing a fewer % of their pilots, this is only
the beginning and there is no safe harbor at the wholly-owneds. Expect MGMT to come for personnel and/or pay. This is only the beginning so long as there is no government intervention or passenger demand begins to significantly and reliably trend toward the passenger counts of recent years past. Good luck out there.

I’d expect a furlough announcement today from ENY too. If they plan to furlough on Oct 1 and they need to give 30 days notice...

From what I understand they stood firm on no concessions. So kudos to them, no sarcasm. I just hope we can do the same here and stand together for once. No more whipsawing and we take their power away.

According to scope, AA lost 30% from international flights. ALL WO are suppose to shrink 30% also

From what I’ve heard they have been getting personal phone calls from the CPO (or possibly higher? RN?) with their initial notice with probably the letter to follow.

my understanding aa scope is tied to narrow body aircraft, not wide body, I could be wrong.

Agreed. I’ve always heard regional fleet is a percentage of the mainline NB fleet with different allotments for large and small RJ’s. I cannot remember the seat count between small and large. 175’s and -700/900’s are large, but I believe some -700’s were being converted to small to free up space.

PSA Announces 35% of Pilots Furloughed Oct. 1
 

It already began last week. Kinda surprised we haven’t heard any numbers from the union .

Envoy is doing less than 100 more departures per day than PSA is right now...616 at Envoy vs 531 at PSA. You also have about 500 more pilots than PSA does (soon it’ll be way more than 500 more...sigh)...I’d be surprised if Envoy doesn’t announce more furloughs soon. For your sake I hope they don’t.

You didn't read the email that was sent Aug26?

Envoy is furloughing around 1600.

I hope thats sarcasm.

im sure his finger slipped

Pedro's email said 1600 but its generic company wide. It could include janitors

I don't think he means 1600 pilots.
When i saw the AA post about furloughing 3000 from WO, i was initially surprised, because that would pretty much shut down all 3 companies, however i believe the number includes all staffing at the WO.

1600. Envoy is a large ground handling company with an airline attached to it. The 3000 AA mentioned does not mean 3000 pilots, it means 3000 employees. So in that context, it was appropriate to say Envoy furloughs 1600.

No one here cares about anyone besides pilots in this context. The rest of the company is not our lane.

It was just to correct the claim of 3000 furloughs at WOs.
The pilot furloughs have already been announced last week.

The WOs will shrink. PSA may even shrink further depending on demand and outlook going into 2021.

All 3 legacies are barreling straight towards bankruptcy. The WOs are hopefully safe until that time but in bankruptcy we will likely be for sale just like everything else. Planes or hopefully planes and pilots.

I say that because a business can’t go into bankruptcy penniless. They need operating capital to see it through and cover expenses while they work on a restructuring plan. The thing about this that is unknown right now is obviously Covid-19 and our recovery. If they go into bankruptcy and it doesn’t look like there will be a meaningful path to recovery and profitability on the backside of bankruptcy they won’t likely be able to secure further financing. And they’ll need to maximize capital to make it as far as they can in bankruptcy until we do see that recovery.

Uncharted territory boys and girls. For all of the legacies. No one knows quite how this is going to play out but the industry will again, be forever changed.

By last week do you mean the LTLOA 261 number?

PSA Announces 35% of Pilots Furloughed Oct. 1
 

Yeah but that was vague. Estimated furloughs, still working to mitigate, etc. Meanwhile a whole bunch of junior FO’s got a personal call from RW last week. Although I guess there’s not a whole lot more to say now. The axe is dropping.

228 furloughs at Envoy.

There will be mitigation attempts until midnight September the 30th. Right now the number is 228. Hope it will be a few less October 1st.

Yeah it seems management is digging in on this. While I appreciate your efforts, I dont think any results will come from it. Had they been interested, they would have looked at all the ideas the MEC offered over the last couple of months. Unless they have come up with something new recently, I think it is what it is, unfortunately.

Right on ...

And the email from RW actually stated that will be 228 short of a cares act 2.0 extension with furlough protection. Maybe the wording wasn't meant to be so ridged but it read to me like they aren't looking at mitigation any longer.

did he call CW as well?

PSA Announces 35% of Pilots Furloughed Oct. 1
 

Unless your an office leadership, or Mgmt type character... then you give a damn

PSA Announces 35% of Pilots Furloughed Oct. 1
 

I’ve always appreciated and valued your insight.

Thank your fellow cohort’s at PSA for standing strong!

Those guys took the King's Shilling. Let them worry about their lane. We need only care about our fellow line pilots. FPLD.