Job Opportunities Thread
 

This thread is for those who have left Envoy in the last 6 months for a company that is still actively hiring/not furloughing, or if you have a friend that has found a new flying job that is still hiring. I just wanted to make this for the more junior pilots facing furlough to potentially find a flying gig that a former fellow Envoy pilot could recommend them for. If you post, please include your total/PIC/turbine time etc so that others can gauge the needed experience. Non flying jobs anyone has found but are still in the aviation field would probably also be helpful to some. Please try to keep this on topic and not doom and gloom like every other thread has derailed to.

I know Envoy employees have preferential hiring with Walgreens and Home Depot. It’s a non aviation job, but it’s better than being jobless.

Those aren't bad options. Working full time with some OT probably make about the same as a first year FO, and probably with better benefits.

I know everyone jokes, but recently I did some paper napkin math when I had a particularly silent captain on some long flights one day. Let’s say you have a 4 day trip worth 18 hours, and you’re gone a total of 75 hours. 18*50 is $900. Take 900 and divide it by 75, and you get a depressing $12 per hour from report on day 1 to release on day 4. And if your pay rate is more like $38/hr, that’s less than $10 per hour away from base.

Obviously doesn’t factor any per diem or other benefits. I’ve seen squabbles on some regional forums where some users advocate for concessions to “spread the pain” or that senior guys are screening junior guys as they send them to the unemployment line. We’re basically making minimum wage already if you factor in the amount of actual hours on the job, not including any commute time. Concessions would drive you down even lower, but I digress. I guess my roundabout point is, worst case scenario if any of us at any company had to look for a non flying job, we can hopefully tread water. Still a pay cut, but if you can find a job close to home making $15-20, especially if you can get upward of 30 hours a week, well that’s going to be more than a concessionary LOA/MOA/MOU/acronym your company uses, and certainly a lot more than zero dollars.

That math doesn’t really add up. Compare a 4 day trip to what it would take to work 75 hours a week at Home Depot. 75 hours means you are working almost 11 hours a day, 7 days a week. Working 4 on 3 off is nowhere near that.

Got this Message from Linkin email address to me by name.

My name is Phil and I am a recruiter with the US Navy.

There are a lot of changes happening and a big one, as I am sure you are well aware, is in the aviation industry. COVID is impacting a lot of airlines and flight industries with layoffs and furloughs.

I am reaching out because the Navy is seeking talented aviators to become Navy Pilots and Flight Officers and your skill set could be an enormous asset! Basic Qualifications are:

1. A Bachelors Degree
2. Medically fit for military duty
3. Less than age 32 when you Commission in the Navy
4. A U.S. Citizen

If you are interested in learning more and finding a way to continue flying and doing what you love, please let me know!

Phil O'Shannessy
Naval Officer | Recruiter

If anyone is interested in dropping some freedoms over China. Navy is hiring.

I mentioned it’s still a pay cut, wouldn’t be a dollar for dollar replacement. But you can tread water, be home every day, and at least survive in the meantime. Those most at risk are at the bottom of their respective seniority lists, probably just making reserve guarantee, maybe even commuting to reserve. And in the event of confessions, guarantee reductions would hurt even more, especially for those with lower pay rates in general. Still not ideal, but the whole point was that there are ways to make ends meet in the possible event some of us end up on the street. This won’t affect the senior guys making top pay scales, live in base with the better trips or locals or whatever they bid for. I’m thinking especially about those guys who are making around $38/hr, first year guys, commuting to reserve, paying for crashpads and hotels, not getting any per diem, and gone more than 16-18 days total due to commuting. They stand to lose the most if they take concessions, and honestly all that could easily put them below a paycheck they could be earning at home.

I think you’re also grossly overestimating the hours you can get working retail. Most employers there conveniently keep associates below 30 hours per week to avoid full time classification and any requirement to provide benefits, sick, vacation time, and retirement depending on local laws.

The equivalent of FO pay on a true 40/week job is about $22/hour. A $38/hr FO would need about $16.50.

Starbucks, Costco, Home Depot do have access to benefits for part time workers, so there is that.

My average credit for a 4 day trip this month is 12 hrs. Is there a parallel universe in which min day credit is cost neutral?

So, what you're essentially saying is the junior guys can get furloughed and make about the same money they make now. Meaning their QOL based upon economic status isn't really going to change. Can the higher seniority guys or CA's say that....?

Left envoy in March for another dod contractor flying gig. Late 16’ hire. I make more at the new job yr 1 then I did as a 4th yr DCL. QOL is way better ie every holiday and weekend off, home every night, benefits etc. Good flying jobs are out there. It’s all subjective as to what’s important old or young.

furlough sucks, being on the bottom sucks, thats the business we chose.

I'm also a late '16 hire and may consider something like this. My biggest holdup is that I'm still building about 70 hours 121 PIC per month, and I'm just shy of 1000 total 121 PIC. I worry that in a couple years when majors/FedEx/UPS start looking at resumes again, the stop of 121 flying may throw them off. They want lifers who won't bail when times are hard and may see it in a negative light. Anywho, I'll PM you if you don't mind giving me some more specific info. You may have been in my indoc class, lol.

Everyone is, and has been, hung up on 1000 hours of 121 PIC. It’s not a magical number. It’s all a function of supply and demand. You are correct, though, that if you want to be a 121 pilot, you should stay in 121.

It doesn’t sound like you are sour on 121, but if you aren’t happy in 121, then get out if you can find something that can. If you are happy and it’s what you want to do, then why give up nearly four years of seniority? Before any furloughs, you are probably at top 20-25% seniority.

If you’re a late 2016 hire, you aren’t likely to be furloughed unless the whole of Envoy takes a dump. Taking a leave of absence is a whole lot different than quitting in terms of what you can or can’t come back to, as is being furloughed as well as the reason and explanation at a later interview.

This business is vicious. Do what works for you.

It's not that I personally am hung up on the 1000 hrs, it's that almost everyone I talk to that's gone on to Fed Ex, Frontier, Spirit, SWA, etc have said that they don't 100% require it, but they do prefer it.

I really do love the 121 world. I take the downsides in stride and accept that it's part of the gig. I like that I get to work with a very diverse work group, both FO's and FA's. It makes the job more entertaining to me. I'm around the 650 seniority number, so I feel safe here until the boat actually sinks. I just want to have a backup plan other than the crappy ones I currently have in my back pocket (non-flying jobs).

I'm pretty apprehensive about the next few months. I'm a pretty positive dude, but the very real idea of a looming bankruptcy at AA (and likely the other two) has me a bit jittery. My degree is generic (business, no MBA) and my past experience is in the oil and gas industry...my options seem limited.

Beyond Walgreens and Home Depot, there are a lot of other jobs. Truck driving, craft, teacher, nursing, furniture assembly, etc. What else? What do you need to qualify?

Go learn how to code

I heard a political candidate say that for coal miners. All due respect to coal miners, I think the technical mind and experience of pilots have a higher rate of success.

Anything with "Specialist" or "Analyst" in the title is something almost any pilot can do and is likely to lead to a promotion into lower management within 12 months or so assuming you are good at it.

"It" being pretending to work, checking boxes, sending & receving emails, etc.

Even Milton can do it so long as he has his red stapler.

Might not work full time, but substitute teaching is a good side gig. Plus every school district is desperate for substitutes right now. In the Dallas area, most school districts just require a college degree to become a sub. No teaching skills required. They don't expect you to actually teach, they usually just leave busy work or a video and a worksheet. You take attendance, give them the busy work, keep them somewhat quiet, and at the end of the day you've made $100. Could lead to a long term sub gig (21+ day assignment) which could lead to an emergency/alternative Texas teacher certification and a full-time teaching position if you really had the passion for it. Dallas area full-time teachers usually have starting salaries around $55,000.

https://www.alpa.org/resources/coronavirus/hiring