MEGAFUPM

This thread is for those who have left Envoy in the last 6 months for a company that is still actively hiring/not furloughing, or if you have a friend that has found a new flying job that is still hiring. I just wanted to make this for the more junior pilots facing furlough to potentially find a flying gig that a former fellow Envoy pilot could recommend them for. If you post, please include your total/PIC/turbine time etc so that others can gauge the needed experience. Non flying jobs anyone has found but are still in the aviation field would probably also be helpful to some. Please try to keep this on topic and not doom and gloom like every other thread has derailed to.

MqWhistleblower

I know Envoy employees have preferential hiring with Walgreens and Home Depot. It’s a non aviation job, but it’s better than being jobless.

MEGAFUPM

Those aren't bad options. Working full time with some OT probably make about the same as a first year FO, and probably with better benefits.

brocklee9000

I know everyone jokes, but recently I did some paper napkin math when I had a particularly silent captain on some long flights one day. Let’s say you have a 4 day trip worth 18 hours, and you’re gone a total of 75 hours. 18*50 is $900. Take 900 and divide it by 75, and you get a depressing $12 per hour from report on day 1 to release on day 4. And if your pay rate is more like $38/hr, that’s less than $10 per hour away from base.

Obviously doesn’t factor any per diem or other benefits. I’ve seen squabbles on some regional forums where some users advocate for concessions to “spread the pain” or that senior guys are screening junior guys as they send them to the unemployment line. We’re basically making minimum wage already if you factor in the amount of actual hours on the job, not including any commute time. Concessions would drive you down even lower, but I digress. I guess my roundabout point is, worst case scenario if any of us at any company had to look for a non flying job, we can hopefully tread water. Still a pay cut, but if you can find a job close to home making $15-20, especially if you can get upward of 30 hours a week, well that’s going to be more than a concessionary LOA/MOA/MOU/acronym your company uses, and certainly a lot more than zero dollars.

But seriously

That math doesn’t really add up. Compare a 4 day trip to what it would take to work 75 hours a week at Home Depot. 75 hours means you are working almost 11 hours a day, 7 days a week. Working 4 on 3 off is nowhere near that.

dk104444

Got this Message from Linkin email address to me by name.

My name is Phil and I am a recruiter with the US Navy.

There are a lot of changes happening and a big one, as I am sure you are well aware, is in the aviation industry. COVID is impacting a lot of airlines and flight industries with layoffs and furloughs.

I am reaching out because the Navy is seeking talented aviators to become Navy Pilots and Flight Officers and your skill set could be an enormous asset! Basic Qualifications are:

1. A Bachelors Degree
2. Medically fit for military duty
3. Less than age 32 when you Commission in the Navy
4. A U.S. Citizen

If you are interested in learning more and finding a way to continue flying and doing what you love, please let me know!

Phil O'Shannessy
Naval Officer | Recruiter

If anyone is interested in dropping some freedoms over China. Navy is hiring.

brocklee9000

I mentioned it’s still a pay cut, wouldn’t be a dollar for dollar replacement. But you can tread water, be home every day, and at least survive in the meantime. Those most at risk are at the bottom of their respective seniority lists, probably just making reserve guarantee, maybe even commuting to reserve. And in the event of confessions, guarantee reductions would hurt even more, especially for those with lower pay rates in general. Still not ideal, but the whole point was that there are ways to make ends meet in the possible event some of us end up on the street. This won’t affect the senior guys making top pay scales, live in base with the better trips or locals or whatever they bid for. I’m thinking especially about those guys who are making around $38/hr, first year guys, commuting to reserve, paying for crashpads and hotels, not getting any per diem, and gone more than 16-18 days total due to commuting. They stand to lose the most if they take concessions, and honestly all that could easily put them below a paycheck they could be earning at home.

skyemiles2

I think you’re also grossly overestimating the hours you can get working retail. Most employers there conveniently keep associates below 30 hours per week to avoid full time classification and any requirement to provide benefits, sick, vacation time, and retirement depending on local laws.

The equivalent of FO pay on a true 40/week job is about $22/hour. A $38/hr FO would need about $16.50.

Starbucks, Costco, Home Depot do have access to benefits for part time workers, so there is that.

mketch11

My average credit for a 4 day trip this month is 12 hrs. Is there a parallel universe in which min day credit is cost neutral?

Lucifer

So, what you're essentially saying is the junior guys can get furloughed and make about the same money they make now. Meaning their QOL based upon economic status isn't really going to change. Can the higher seniority guys or CA's say that....?