My tea leaves says the E145 leaves the AAG fleet plan in 2024 (possibly sooner if they paid them down in advance, they had been refinanced until 2024)..... in either case, no need for the sims. Guess who probably has an option to buy them already locked in with the space/facility lease agreement.

I think 2024 is too early for the demise of the 145, although not many would be disappointed to see it gone much sooner. I think still five years. AAG has about 120 between PDT and ENY. That’s a lot of lift to replace at great expense, and one entire company. That certainly would be a good time to absorb the pilots of PDT into PSA, but all thee WOs are much bigger on the ground services side, so more involved with that.

That being said, SKW is trying to expand to 7000 pilots by next year and they probably have the resources to buy the planes to put those pilots to work if AAG expands/extends their contract.

I think most will go by 2024 or a bit later. A few will stick around a bit longer. Eventually, those locations that are EAS or near that will have to have a solution. CRJ550 or something. That is my crystal ball.

The CRJ-550 is only a solution on routes that can justify the additional operating costs because they can sell enough premium seats, which is the whole point of the plane.

pilot shortage
shrinkage
consolidation

wanting to grow to 7,000 sounds great. Will never happen. The entire regional industry is going to contract, not grow. Could they buy somebody or merge for the staffing increase, that’s possible…. But growing organically, nope.
not with LCC’s already starting to hire straight from colleges like regionals do. Nobody’s going to Skywest when they’ll be able to go to Spirit, Frontier or Allegiant… plus a few ACMI’s too.

Lmao, you have no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t expect you to have a clue about SkyWest or it’s management, but it’s not the JV team over in St. George. Mormons don’t **** around when it comes to their money, they’ll adjust accordingly to whatever it takes to pull every single pilot to their shop. SkyWest right now hasn’t given up a damn thing to recruit more pilots and they’re pulling in all the applicants. Why do you really think AA is offering these sucker bonuses?

I’ve spent almost 5 years at that company and will be leaving here very shortly, but I’m not even remotely worried about the future of my friends at SkyWest.

Btw I read some doomsday post by you about SkyWest a few months ago, attrition has been well over 50 a month, list has grown from 5,100 to 5,600 pilots, they’ll be at 6,000+ at the end of the year just watch. They have the training capacity to push 300+ pilots a month, which alone makes them a massive asset to places like UAL, DL, and AA, plus every other major carrier in town that will need to fill right seats.

Also remember this, Delta has never hired over 1,200 pilots in a year (2016), because they can’t, don’t have the training capacity to pull it off. So when you see these “2,000 new hires for 2022” remember most these shops don’t have the training sims available for these claims.

My prediction, if the market gets bad as you claim, they’ll finally get an offer they can’t refuse and be bought out by a legacy.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but just don’t think it will get there that quick. The folks being hired at Frontier that are cadets, as I understand” have to lay out another large chunk of $$ for their type. I don’t think you’re going to see large numbers going directly to those places.

Skywest has, as I understand, recently changed tactics to a “hire everyone and weed them out”, but I still think they are pushing to be the company that ends up on top when others have finally gone away.

And again, while United APPEARS to be shrinking their regional fleet, it hasn’t happened yet. Still a lot of folks around to fill flight decks, to include green card seekers.

We’ll have to agree to disagree and revisit this in five years.

Cujo665 has more experience and input to this than you will ever have.
Go play in your sandbox.

Oh look at you defending your boyfriends honor, he’d be so proud.

You claimed to have it all figured out yourself not too long ago, leave the Voy for Atlas and sneak right into a new contract… how’d that go btw?

Just about all of your "predictions" over your life on this forum have not shaken out the way that you said they would. I believe that your release from Envoy tripped something in your head that makes you think of yourself as some type of Yoda figure here that everyone wants to hear from. Your situation is one of the saddest I've ever seen. An American Airlines career so close and then you bungle it and end up at a low end ACMI after stints at a couple other shady ops.

I agree that Cujo is shooting in the dark here. He has a couple of ex Envoy acquaintances that he gets info from but it's very dated and he's mostly guessing with his "predictions." I think all this posting trying to be the Envoy Godfather is just personal therapy helping him cope with losing millions from no longer having an AA career along with the lost prestige.

Also, leaving Envoy for Atlas IMO is not a very smart move. Giving up a career at AA to be put on the road for 20 to 24 days a month at bottom end payrates sounds like poor decision making.

I did not say this is happening tomorrow.

Never posted any doomsday about Skypest. I think you're confused. In fact, very much the opposite, I've repeatedly said the regionals most likely to survive are Republic, Skypest, and oddly enough, Mesa. The rest are in for a rough ride of bankruptcies, buyouts, mergers, shrinkage and stagnation.

Lol “Skypest”, that little man syndrome of yours has you slightly agitated this morning big guy.

Seriously?

While their new CBA is not leading the pack, it's essentially an average of Kalitta and Omni's on the larger planes, and ATI/ABX on the smaller planes..... plus they retained the better work rules they already had. Your facts are just completely wrong. They are not doing 20 to 24 days, they have 16.... and they aren't always used all 16 either. Both of them will be Captains long before they would ever see the left seat at AA.

Most ACMI can go on vacation pretty much every month without ever using vacation time getting 14 days off straight. If we bid the transition right we get four weeks off without using any vacation time. What do you do? a four day trip with 3 days off, sometimes using your days off to commute? Great, get home unpack, have a day and a half then start getting ready to go back to work....

You need to face facts pal, the industry has changed, and many jobs now have great pay, benefits and work rules these days. If AA was such a score you wouldn't have to be bribing people to stay.

Or buying them upfront to come as new hire

and misleading them as new hires too.....

par for the course with them.....

Going pretty darn well, thanks for asking. Have you read the new contract?

Thought so.

I'm too old and was too junior to ever have a meaningful career at AA, so it was never a goal for me. It works for younger guys, but if you get to AA in your mid 40s after the huge hiring wave, the numbers change significantly.

Getting hired today at Spirit would net me almost a million dollars more at retirement than waiting 6 more years for flow.

Not sure if 332/hr is "bottom end payrate". But you do you.

All the evidence very much to the contrary. Get your head out of the sand.

Yep, try to explain to people that upgrading at an ACMI or LCC in under two years is far superior than waiting 2 years to upgrade at Envoy, then 3-4 more years to flow, then 2-5 years as an AA FO before upgrading. You're potentially at 10 years of CA pay at the LCC-ACMI before they upgrade at AA. If you've only got 15-20 years left getting in the left seat sooner anyplace is probably a better choice than waiting to flow.

You might be happier in life if you stop worrying about *other people* getting to the left seat the quickest and making as much money as possible.

I'm very happy. Love my life exactly as it is. If sharing some insight can help others make informed decisions, then that's a good thing for all, isn't it? Well, it may not be the best thing for Envoy, but it's still the best thing for the pilots....

Someone with a happy life wouldn't be in a forum for their old company posting CONSTANTLY about how bad the old company is. Just sayin. Take a look in the mirror Cuj.
Nobody here wants to listen to your ranting. You're just........sad.

You may still work at Envoy, but your rainbow and pixie dust KoolAid has to be balanced with reality, no matter who it comes from.

Fake news. I don't know if there are training contracts, but Frontier CFI hires are not having to pay out of pocket for their type rating.

You mean like you?

“Before transitioning to Frontier, pilots must independently complete an enhanced ATP CTP. “

Source: https://atpflightschool.com/airlines...-alliance.html


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That’s the ATP class not the type.

Envoy Sim Training Moving
 

Looks like Envoy is getting the boot from the AA training center and will be doing all (or the vast majority) of simulator training at the Dallas Avenger Flight Group 2 facility. A total of 5 sims going in for Envoy’s exclusive use.

First E145 already moved, second being moved. Two brand new E170 sims on order and one coming from Charlotte.

The CAE sim coming from CLT is actually a really nice one.

Other than the old Airways 190 sim in CLT, 175 training has never been at an AA facility.

Where did they have the 170 sim in DFW? Was it Flight Safety as well?

it was a 170 sim, not a 190, but I digress

Does this mean no more training in CLT for us?

All the DFW and STL sims were FSI.

As I understand, Envoy got a certain amount of sim time with each new airframe. With no new planes and the used ones planes coming from the far reaches of the globe they may have decided it was cheaper to finally buy their own (or lease from a different vendor).

Speaking of sims, why does the CLT sim dump all the crosswind on you at 100 feet? Is there something I can tell the instructor to do in the setup so it's more gradual? lol

The E145 was at GSW except when hiring was too much for two sims and had been there for over two decades.
Sad to see them getting the boot out of GSW instead of replaced with 2 of the 3 sims coming.

My guess is taking the opportunity to (somewhat) consolidate ENY training and free up some space for mainline as well. Although someplace, and I don’t remember where, has floor space but the ceiling isn’t tall enough for new generation sims.

FS South initially, yeah