Envoy delinquent on 30k retention bonus
 

Just received the email from the Union. Our first bonus payment for $30,000 will be delayed until at least the last paycheck of the month. We initialed and signed in a legally binding contract first paycheck of Novemeber.

Great way to retain people by not paying the retention bonus. It's a bold strategy cotton, let's see if it pays off for 'em.

Almost anyone could run this company better than the people currently running it. It's wild. You just push the button, move the paper from one stack to the other. It's not like any decisions are made at our level, and yet we have several whole buildings full of management staff that bump us off flights when we're trying to get to work and for what? This? Disgraceful.

I hope my union dues are at work right now.

This is embarrassing.

Don’t worry my dudes. I have it on good authority that the courier is on the way with everyone’s jellybean of the month membership right now!

The best part is that there will be absolutely zero accountability for this screw up. The management of Envoy continues to drop the ball and makes it through unscathed. They are all Teflon. Doesn’t matter what the FAA says, whether they have an operational meltdown and strand their crews without hotels, an unnecessary furlough, they will come through smiling and suckering cadets into a career at Envoy.

Don't forget to minimize airborne wifi data usage

I’ve asked an AA guy if it was a thing to be cognizant of WiFi usage. He was clueless; said they both turn everything on and forget about it. My guess the “5 times data usage of mainline” is complete made up lie in hopes people are scared to use it.


would they really turn off critical data that can only be used for flight safety purposes? I’m sure that would not look good to the FAA.

im sure some bean counter didn’t account for this cost, and now there is hell to pay. Good thing they can take it out of our 401k and promised bonuses:)

I would believe five times the budget they planned for, but certainly not actual data consumption. Literally it is the same data and in fact, mainline has features Envoy doesn’t. Talking to someone who was involved in the process, the GoGo data is much more expensive than the satellite based data, but someone definitely didn’t do their homework about how much data would be used and therefore cost.

Just look up how much data your Jepp FD is using. It's easily 1GB a month just for weather updates.

Care to elaborate?


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The platforms are different and therefore the cost structure is different. AA is using Viasat and Envoy is using cellular based data on GoGo. So I’m sure the way the data downloads is different. I’ve also never seen mainline watching movies on their flights but I did get to have that conversation with an f/o in February, so it wouldn’t surprise me if the ratio of people using it improperly to those using it properly is much higher than mainline.

I weep for our future.

Bonus? What bonus? LOL

It’s a package for Clark W. Grizmmmnmmn… it fell between the seats, and I didn’t see it. I’m sorry.

Merry Christmas

Lol love it


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This little spat is becoming more and more pathetic but you can email paycomp and tell them not to withhold anything for ALPA, at least on your regular paycheck. I'm not taking a side on this but it's your call.

And just so it's clear, then you get a bill in the mail, and if you don't pay, you will be terminated.

I know people who consistently do this - or at least claim to - that still work here.

Also, while I realize you've moved on, do you really think more stick towards the pilots is the way forward for ENY ALPA? Following management's example in a bad way imo. Personally, I wish everyone involved in this debacle on both sides would resign in disgrace.

They all pay, some only after getting a notice from natl that their employment will be terminated. But they do pay up.

I'm not going to comment on this ongoing debacle here. The RW email was an embarrassement and typical for him, full of lies.

Not taking a side either way & just gonna throw this out there…There’s now Federal case law where employees in non right to work states don’t have to pay union dues and still can maintain employment and if fired afterward, can sue all parties for wrongful termination. See link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janus_v._AFSCME

Food for thought.

Do any of those lawsuits pertain to individuals employed under the railway labor act? Because it takes precedent over state labor laws.

Yes. Supreme Court Case law set the precedent federally. Refer to your own state historical dockets for further info.

edit: this does not constitute legal advice.

I'm not on any of the social media groups. Are there guys blaming the union? Seems pretty clear to me the company is the one that arbitrarily changed the terms.

I think a lot of the issue has to do with a lack of transparency on the part of the union. Everyone expects that from Envoy, but it seems like the union knew a lot more about what was going on and why and chose to keep the pilots in the dark.

Seems like this only applies to public sector unions. Am I missing something?

You are not.

Very much the opposite, some clown will show how much interest they made by being late, but not late enough to cause legal action, and will get promoted.

Some pilots are actually taking the bonus?

Most Envoy captains are far too lazy to try to do the work and go somewhere else. I’m sure at least 60% took the bonus and are waiting to flow to the mothership. The Envoy Wives page was a great reminder of who controls many of our pilots careers.

The fact that there is an envoy wives page explains everything especially what the company knows and monitors.

Does the Union have any stats on % that took it? I’d be interested to know. I’ve talked to plenty in both camps.

Envoy is hiring.

In this inflationary environment everyone should take the bonus even if they're leaving for Atlas tomorrow.

It’s an absolute gem to read. So many of them are overly vocal idiots who spew more garbage than RW and don’t know and thing about the contract or business. Definitely some valuable stuff on there, but most of it makes you feel bad for your co-workers knowing they are going home to so much bat-isht craziness.

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I don’t do bookface but my wife does. I’m SOOOO glad she hasn’t discovered this ‘group’. She already thinks I’m full of **** when I talk about work/Envoy/contract/crew scheduling and whatnot… I’d probably be divorced if she had this group to back up her crazy assertions*.


*as someone that’s not on bookface, I have no idea what these pilot wives discuss and can only assume based on the bat**** crazy things my wife comes up with as some sort of reality and that it would only be worse if she was bouncing these things off of other people in a like minded bubble.