Envoy Accelerating E145 Retirement
 

According to Aero Crew News:

BREAKING:
Envoy to accelerate the retirement of the E145 amid record-high pilot attrition. So far this year, 316 pilots (15% of the entire seniority list) left Envoy.
*80 of the 315 pilots who left Envoy flowed to American Airlines.
Source: Internal memo and internal email obtained by ACN.





Any update as to when it will be accelerated to? How does this affect Envoy going forward?

Aerocrewnews deleted this after posting it so it may be unreliable. Disregard if so.

15-20 145s gone by fall instead of end of year according to RW

Where are you getting that RW said 15-20? Last email just said “reductions will be taken out of the DFW base starting sometime this Fall.” Doesn’t say how many and nothing about BY end of year.

Starting this fall? We've already parked a few. What base they effected, I don't know.

If I recall, the ones recently parked have been high time aircraft due for major inspections. There was an article a while back talking about some of the Eagle 145s being the highest time and cycles, which makes sense as AA was the launch customer for the plane.

My point from my earlier post was that the most recent RW email acknowledged they would be parking (additional) planes based on attrition but the post I quoted implied there was a specific number that would be parked by the end of the year. The ACN article was said to have briefly quoted an internal memo and email but was taken down. I’m just curious what the source was because IF it was, it was not something that was circulated.

RW sent an email early march that said 15-20 by the end of the year

*ExpressJet was the launch customer for the 145.

And AA has never operated the 145.

This is good news. Maybe "Its time" for 1 list. Make all the RJ's Group 1 pay and staple the Sen list.

AA purchased them, Eagle operated them. They were, I recall the launch for the 140, not the 145.

The 140s have already been parked, so that leaves 145s that Envoy and Piedmont are flying that are the high time/cycle airframes being parked.

Found it. I guess that email was actually tempered by the later email.

Never say never, but it’s never going to happen. It is too final and expensive of a solution for a short term problem. This wave will subside in a year and a half. Things will be different, but not that different.

AA would love all the 175 FOs volunteering to seat fill for sims at midnight.

175 vs 145
 

Expected to have a class date in early fall this year. I understand that they are phasing out the 145s and introducing the 175s. I was told that the only reason the 145s are still at the company is because they are trying to free up space in the simulators for 145 pilots to train on the 175. If this is true, are they still going to put guys with low seniority in ground school on the 145 later in the year? Or is everyone getting 175 aircraft like the previous classes? Would love to hear some feedback.

If you are asking if you will change AFTER you start training, very unlikely. As far as new hires getting the 145 again, it doesn’t seem likely, but don’t count it out and if someone actually has a plan, they sure aren’t sharing.

What is the current total of 145s? Have they actually started parking them?

In March, the union all call said there were 54 145’s. Since then, I believe they have parked 3 or 4.

This sounds about right. Honestly, I think the parked number since is 3 but not sure. There have been a few "parked" around our system as 'spares' that wouldn't normally be spares. It seems if the airplane is due for a heavy check, it gets parked for retirement and if we just can't staff it, it goes somewhere in our system and is parked as a spare as far as I can tell. Maybe that changes this fall but it makes sense for the summer rush at least imo.

Ok makes sense. Have they drawn down the summer schedule like mainline has, or are they just cancelling what they can't operate as they go?

Any one have a clue which 145 base would be shut down first?

If I was a betting man, I would say ORD. Another post mentioned PDT trying to take the flying, but will likely just be absorbed by SKW, RPA and Envoy 175.

Does this mean we can glue 175 paper tiger overlays on the old 145 mock ups in the hotel study room?

https://www.flyingmag.com/american-a...s-to-fly-them/

According to the AA CEO they must be all gone already, along with all of Piedmont. lol

According to a recent town hall Piedmont will retain 50 jets for the foreseeable future. We have about 67 lines in CLT, 70 in PHL, and 12 in MDT for June and July with slightly less forecasted in August.

Between hiring and attrition we appear to be losing about 1% of total pilots per month. Around 650 on the list.

Any news beyond that is speculation since AA doesn’t share more than 60-90 days with Piedmont management.

The post was intended to poke fun at the fact the AA CEO apparently can't figure out how many planes he's parked. If 100 planes were already parked that would be basically the entire Envoy and Piedmont 145 fleets. Obviously they are all still flying, with Envoy's 145s planned to be parked, which is about 50 planes still.

Those 100 planes include CRJ 200s from PSA and every 140 that has been parked as well as the 145s that WILL be parked.

You have to take some literary license as well as round numbers up if you want a headline that shocks and a story that sells.

So he stretched the truth until it snapped back into his face. Got it.

Apparently just like he is telling share holders negotiations with AA’s pilots are going well.

Anyone else doing a recession BK play with AAL puts?

he’s probably including contractors planes parked too. They usually did in the past.