Hey DMH thanks for the great info, What was your orientation date and subsequent class date ? Not sure what you mean with this sentence " They split it up, staggering everyone by senority into 3 grouops each seperated by 2 weeks."

Hi, I had a March 7th Orientation and an April 3rd Indoc as a DEC. Envoy typically has an Indoc every two weeks on a Monday but the holidays may cause them to skip weeks. They will tell you what Indoc to expect in Orientation based on your class seniority. Indoc classes are typically much smaller than Orientations. Class seniority is assigned by cadets date of entry, then total Part 121 hours highest to lowest, then oldest to youngest for everyone else. Orientation is all about onboarding paperwork. Signing bonuses are handed out. I recommend collecting phone numbers of your classmates and starting a WhatsApp thread. Envoy tends to push DECs through training faster than FOs. Our class of DECs was not given the option of bidding FO. You will receive EFBs and IDs in Indoc.

Summed it up very well.

Our class was 65 people, everyone given an official start date at Orientation, Nov 3. They sent us home after that, with the first group of us (the most senior third of the class) returning the following Monday for day 1 of Indoc. The 2nd third of the class came back 2 weeks after we started our Orientation; the last third of the class came back 2 weeks after those guys. They do that to stagger the sim times so there is ample schedule availability to get people right through. Again, holidays coming into the middle of this, could spread it out further.

Thanks Guys, DMH1967 are you a DEC or F/O ?

How many DEC in your Indoc class?

I'm a DEC. Retired early from my previous carrier in Feb last year, found out retirment was a lot more boring than anything else, so I came back to Envoy where I'd been from '94 - '06.

​​​​​​Thanks DMH, I was curious how the process worked having FOs and DECs together. I am getting back into flying after a 6 1/2 year break due to how bleak the industry was getting.

It's a whole different world now. No idea how long this will last, but guys are rocketing through a few months at the regionals and getting hired by the majors. I have buddies at several majors who have told me they're flying with pilots who just got the restricted ATP cleared. I think I've moved up 400 numbers in a year, at least according to the seniority list in the contract.

My Indoc class in April had 18 DECs and 2 FOs, but when we got to systems we had 18 DECs and 8 FOs bidding for sims together. We had 5 CA/CA teams and 8 CA/FO teams. The group a week ahead of us were all FO/FO teams. I was paired with another captain and we switched seats halfway through each lesson and alternated being first. You get right seat qualified during training as a DEC anyway. There's no way of predicting how sim pairings will work out in your class.

Ground training is the same for captains and FOs except captains get an extra two days of ground on the duties and responsibilities of captains. They want everyone to learn both captain and FO flows. Captains are held to higher standards in the sim.

How did they do Senority in the DEC group, was it by total hours in FAR 121air carriers or was it by years flying in FAR 121 air carriers.
I have heard both, would like to know which one its is.

Thanks