Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 1912226)

My statement has nothing to do with Envoy specifically, its a generalized statement. I'll put it this way. You're the CEO of a major airline. More pilots are going to be needed in the future to staff your major airline then currently work at the regional airlines. Where are you going to take your pilots from? Are you going to decimate your own feed or are you going to grab them from unaligned regionals?

I know Envoy pilots are excited about their flow, I get that. And when it works its a great thing for a few months. But when it comes down to it and the pilot shortage really starts to kick into high gear, AA is simply not going evacuate their entire feed (PSA, Envoy, Piedmont etc), they are going to pull the majority of their pilots from other non aligned sources. Maybe Delta will do the same thing and pull pilots from Envoy to protect their feed.

I don't know for sure and neither do you. Cracks are already developing in your flow as evidenced by recent postings here and we are only 2 months in to all the b*tching about it here. But it seems clear to me without a steady flow of new pilots to carriers such as Envoy, a new hire today at Envoy has to realistically weigh whether the flow will really apply to them or not or if the flow is only going to be applied to those precious 824 pilots who won the right years before them.

You called me Miss Cleo and I can see why, but to me it really just seems like common sense- don't destroy your own feed, destroys someone elses like Republic.

Originally Posted by LeadFoot (Post 1912238)

Why Republic specifically? Is this a function of how much flying these non-WO's do for AAG? Is it because Republic flies a lot for them?

Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 1912253)

Republic has no specific allegiance to any one mainline carrier, they fly for all of the big 3. Republic has already asked its major partners for a reduction in flying because they can't staff it. They are shrinking. At some point, I predict Republic will have to decide if they want to do a poor job for all three or eliminate one in favor of the other two. Or, one of the big three might just decide to shift that flying somewhere else.

Republic is just the first that comes to mind and its just an opinion that I have formulated myself. It very well could also apply to Mesa.

All I'm saying is alot of hiring is going to be going on over the next few years. There is going to be regional airline winners and losers. Someone is going to be the first to fail. There is also a strong possibility of consolidation too, but I see that as a band-aide.

Originally Posted by PilotCrusader (Post 1912258)

Get over yourself youngster. Fly airplanes and put your crystal ball away.

Originally Posted by Ar Pilot (Post 1911998)

People are finally facing the facts at envoy. The hardcore no voters realized they need hype to get people in the doors to help get some movement going at their airline, but even they couldn't believe their lies for that long. I truly believe things will turn around at envoy in a few years, but anyone who chooses envoy over the other options right now has seriously neglected to do their homework.

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1893425)

You'll be happy

Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear (Post 1912348)

Waiting on a vacancy.

Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1912355)

Its coming along with the big announcement next friday.

Originally Posted by Bpflyerone (Post 1912416)

Whether this is a joke or not, if there is any type of positive announcement coming, the company needs to drop it ASAP, because let's face it, people are leaving. Give them an Incentive to possibly stick around, even though it may be too late for that anyway


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