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Envoy Information
Hey all,
I haven't seen a thread on Envoy since previous threads in regards to the TA vote. I just thought I'd start a new one about any news on the airline moving forward into the future, post TA. How are class sizes looking? Has there been any noticeable drop/increase in application submissions as a result of the TA? I know it might be too early to tell, but I thought I'd ask. Happy Flying, Alex |
Zero and yes
Management says downsizing Management says e175 going to someone else Management says crj's will be leaving Management says embraers will be parked Management also says I get paid to much and don't work enough on my days off. |
Envoy Information
Sorry, just looking around and reading crap I don't have any skin in, but who in the hell is Envoy? Another cheap regional?
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Originally Posted by Palmtree Pilot
(Post 1619092)
Sorry, just looking around and reading crap I don't have any skin in, but who in the hell is Envoy? Another cheap regional?
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Originally Posted by buddies8
(Post 1619069)
Management says downsizing
Management says e175 going to someone else Management says crj's will be leaving Management says embraers will be parked Management also says I get paid to much and don't work enough on my days off. Hmmm. Where's the announcement? Hmmm. Why announce a new base for them? See #1. The feeling is mutual, right? |
Originally Posted by Palmtree Pilot
(Post 1619092)
Sorry, just looking around and reading crap I don't have any skin in, but who in the hell is Envoy? Another cheap regional?
Educational moment of the day today was finding out Envoy means "I can't" in Finnish. |
Originally Posted by Iowa Farm Boy
(Post 1619117)
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Originally Posted by buddies8 Management says downsizing Management says e175 going to someone else Management says crj's will be leaving Management says embraers will be parked Management also says I get paid to much and don't work enough on my days off. They have no choice- less applicants than attrition. Hmmm. Where's the announcement? Hmmm. Why announce a new base for them? See #1. The feeling is mutual, right? |
Originally Posted by JohnGardner
(Post 1619129)
I know you weren't trying to be funny but as a 16 year American Eagle guy that post cracked me up. If management has their way, yes we will be another cheap regional.
Educational moment of the day today was finding out Envoy means "I can't" in Finnish. It means "management wants the pilots to make less so they can make more" in English.... |
In reality will not be any cheap regional. When they start to bidding for new TA's management will need to add the new pilots pay. We are all seeing game change with exception of a few one nobody else is taking concessions.
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When are they scheduled to start taking deliveries of the E175s? They will have to show their hand eventually to get the program up and running at Envoy in time for the deliveries if they have just been bluffing this whole time, or no one else can staff the aircraft.
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1st quarter 2015
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Originally Posted by Westerner
(Post 1619335)
When are they scheduled to start taking deliveries of the E175s? They will have to show their hand eventually to get the program up and running at Envoy in time for the deliveries if they have just been bluffing this whole time, or no one else can staff the aircraft.
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
(Post 1619391)
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Originally Posted by Westerner When are they scheduled to start taking deliveries of the E175s? They will have to show their hand eventually to get the program up and running at Envoy in time for the deliveries if they have just been bluffing this whole time, or no one else can staff the aircraft. I believe March 2015. From what I've heard it takes ~6 months to get a program set up for a new aircraft. If that's true they're going to dick with us all the way til September. |
Originally Posted by Westerner
(Post 1619335)
When are they scheduled to start taking deliveries of the E175s? They will have to show their hand eventually to get the program up and running at Envoy in time for the deliveries if they have just been bluffing this whole time, or no one else can staff the aircraft.
I heard that MESA, RAH and PSA says no to AAG request for them to fly the 175s. Also heard today that apparently AAG went to Silver Airways and they also turned them down since they can't recruit enough people. |
Is Eagle still hiring? They just sent me an email saying I didn't fit the qualifications. 2 months ago they offered me an interview date but I wasn't able to go then.
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Yea they are.
Was there any confusion if you meet the R-ATP or the ATP? I guess if you have 900ish hours it makes a difference. |
Originally Posted by Waitingformins
(Post 1619470)
Yea they are.
Was there any confusion if you meet the R-ATP or the ATP? I guess if you have 900ish hours it makes a difference. |
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
(Post 1619439)
And we should keep saying no! As much time the keep dicking with us, more people will jump the ship, then at the end they won't even have the staffing to fly those airplanes.
I heard that MESA, RAH and PSA says no to AAG request for them to fly the 175s. Also heard today that apparently AAG went to Silver Airways and they also turned them down since they can't recruit enough people. |
Is it still possible to get ORD out of training? Thanks
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
(Post 1619439)
And we should keep saying no! As much time the keep dicking with us, more people will jump the ship, then at the end they won't even have the staffing to fly those airplanes.
I heard that MESA, RAH and PSA says no to AAG request for them to fly the 175s. Also heard today that apparently AAG went to Silver Airways and they also turned them down since they can't recruit enough people. |
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
(Post 1619439)
And we should keep saying no! As much time the keep dicking with us, more people will jump the ship, then at the end they won't even have the staffing to fly those airplanes.
I heard that MESA, RAH and PSA says no to AAG request for them to fly the 175s. Also heard today that apparently AAG went to Silver Airways and they also turned them down since they can't recruit enough people. |
Originally Posted by Chuck25
(Post 1619456)
Is Eagle still hiring? They just sent me an email saying I didn't fit the qualifications. 2 months ago they offered me an interview date but I wasn't able to go then.
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
(Post 1619537)
I think we're "hiring" but I don't think management is making much of an effort to actually hire.
PSA merger..... |
Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
(Post 1619540)
with 80-90 pilots leaving monthly, something has to give.
PSA merger..... |
Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
(Post 1619540)
with 80-90 pilots leaving monthly, something has to give.
PSA merger..... |
Originally Posted by Iowa Farm Boy
(Post 1619117)
They have no choice- less applicants than attrition.
Hmmm. Where's the announcement? Hmmm. Why announce a new base for them? See #1. The feeling is mutual, right? |
Originally Posted by 10SNE1
(Post 1619581)
What new base? When was this announcement (post failed TA by pilot group?) and where will the new base be?
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30 CA and 30 FO positions for CRJ DFW.
This came out one day after they "decided" to cancel the ORD vacancy for 30 CA for the CRJ. Clearly the first vacancy was a fake one... The 30 CA positions are net upgrades, there's no displacement. A lot of the 824 group are leaving to other carriers. I guess the company real intention is to scare away as much sr people as they can to lower longevity even more. |
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
(Post 1619596)
30 CA and 30 FO positions for CRJ DFW.
This came out one day after they "decided" to cancel the ORD vacancy for 30 CA for the CRJ. Clearly the first vacancy was a fake one... The 30 CA positions are net upgrades, there's no displacement. A lot of the 824 group are leaving to other carriers. I guess the company real intention is to scare away as much sr people as they can to lower longevity even more. Expect maybe less than 5 net upgrades the most. This will go VERY SENIOR. |
Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
(Post 1619626)
These are NOT net upgrades. They will be filled by base transfers, specifically DFW Sr. commuters based in ORD. Those "gummers" aren't flowing either.
Expect maybe less than 5 net upgrades the most. This will go VERY SENIOR. |
Originally Posted by rickt86
(Post 1619640)
You sure they can bid it? Wasn't that the point of pay banding. It's going to go to new upgrades, as no one is being displace right now.
They will have to announce a displacement bid eventually. Those planes are either ORD or JKF base therefore a displacement bid. |
I am betting ord
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Originally Posted by rickt86
(Post 1619640)
You sure they can bid it? Wasn't that the point of pay banding. It's going to go to new upgrades, as no one is being displace right now.
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Is it rumor that Envoy crj's are coming to dfw or fact?
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Originally Posted by ClarenceOver
(Post 1619863)
Is it rumor that Envoy crj's are coming to dfw or fact?
With the amount of guys leaving this company I do not forsee any displacements associated with the DFW CRJ bid. They won't need to displace anyone as alot of CRJ guys are flowing. |
Any idea how long it will take to hold dfw if get on the crj in ord or jfk?
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Any idea how long it will take to hold dfw if get on the crj in ord or jfk? |
So Envoy is in fact not getting rid of their CRJ's?
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Originally Posted by Beech90
(Post 1619957)
So Envoy is in fact not getting rid of their CRJ's?
Quite frankly, I think this team is over its head between placing the 175's, West, Beast, and East SLI and the attrition at the regionals. |
Originally Posted by ClarenceOver
(Post 1619871)
Any idea how long it will take to hold dfw if get on the crj in ord or jfk?
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