Guess I am misinformed regarding both flows, I stand corrected. I will continue to stick with my overall assessment, though. The company will not support any flow any more than the bare minimum it has to and will shut the tap off any way they can if they feel the need.

Well then this airline will shrivel up and die. They will have to recruit thousands of new hires elsewhere and shell out the $10K hiring bonuses.

But hey... Parker's ego will be satiated.

Toodle-oo, hope you've got the apps out.

Wow, You must me a joy to fly with. You will be one of those grumpy Captain IF you ever upgrade.

So much sense of entitlement here

Things are very toxic here at eagle/envoy! Many are blinded by anger!

Unless he is < 100 numbers away he won't be. The few FOs we have left are probably safe from his reign of terror.

And now we are reaping the benefits of that anger.

Ha benefits from anger... That's a new one!

REALLY?? Delete that sh!t, Vip. Bad judgement.

Smoking in a cockpit is bad judgement not a picture

I wouldn't post that either, but I wonder about the pilot who'd not only smoke in the cockpit but allow himself to get photographed doing it.

I'll also bring up the small possibility that the cigarette is Photoshopped. I mean, there's already been added text.

Gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that perhaps BOTH are bad judgement.

Lol. DV window open AND smoking for management to see. That guy is double fcked now..

The window.. Eh.. whatever.. But smoking? No bueno..

Vip if you are any kind of man you would delete that post. Bad judgment was not taking it up with the person man to man and continued bad judgment to post this. Never take your personal issues to a open forum like this. If you really wanted to push your issue talk with pro-standards. Never go to the company or a forum. What goes around comes around. Be a GROWNUP and do the right thing. Seriously.

Yes, while that is extremely unprofessional, and goes to show the caliber of some of our lifers here at Envoy, posting that pic is a douchebag move. If you didn't have the cajones to speak up to that CA, then you have no business posting that online. I'll bet you said "oh that's fine" to the CAs face, and snuck that pic when he wasn't looking.

Actually, I think that's RJ Pilot there in the pic. :)

Oh, like you are now? I'll tell you one thing gramps; I sure as hell won't be retiring from some sht regional like your are. As to an upgrade here, I don't really care if it happens or not.

Unless you have some sort of connection or minority status I wouldn't count my chickens before they've hatched.

Exactly, I rather never upgrade here and get hired somewhere else...that way we can keep our poor life until 2nd year pay somewhere...

You are wrong. You are essential ratting out another pilot by posting that. I would call that bad judgment as well. Don't rat out a fellow pilot. His behavior is bad, but your tattling on him makes me more ashamed of our airline than his smoking. Grow up. I bet you didn't even object to him face-to-face, instead you snuck a picture and posted it anonymously online, like a coward.

Vip's probably enjoying this, just watching the feathers he ruffles with a simple picture. He created the account today likely with the sole purpose of posting that. Might be better to just report the post and not give him any more attention.

Reporting post are to be used to report spam, advertising messages, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts.
My post does not fit into any of these.
My post is not bad judgement all of you working at Envoy is bad judgment.

We should fly together. Ill buy you food the entire trip and if you are competent enough, will buy you a large pizza to take home!

You must be one of these little bitter FO's out there. I enjoy flying with kids like you and showing you how to fly a "little jet". Can you fly a visual yet?

Nah, Im actually a bitter captain that quit. Im on a 767 now, where are you......oh yeah your still at Envoy flying a "little jet" hahahahahaha

This isn't the right attitude to take. There is always a bad apple whether young or old. Categorizing a entire group does nothing but foster a poor working environment. Take pride that the majority of your co-workers are hard working professionals no matter their age. If you are older I wish you where wiser. Vip needs help and council. He is clearly lacking solid fundamentals of how to handle work place discrepancies.

And you have confirmed that you are a joy of a person

Can't argue with that.

That's putting it nicely. VIP you are actions are those of a complete fkking idiot. What kind of horridly pathetic individual does this? One who is desperate for attention.

Loser

Didn't see the photo, but if someone is smoking in the cockpit and you don't speak up you are just as in the wrong as he/she was.

Jr didn't have enough nads to tell him right there.

Every envoy thread gets locked, it's inevitable.

Sure you are pal, sure you are

Speaking up, to his face, while he is doing it, would be right. Anonymously posting it online is wrong, and weak. In my opinion.

VIP, congrats on flying a 767. And thanks for bringing your good cheer and sound judgment to our thread.

That's hilarious, nice.

It really doesn't matter what you fly. My fleet calls the 767 the light twin anyway.

As far as a pilot smoking in the cockpit, one of my favorite captains at Eagle used to do it in the Saab. Turn on both HPs and open the hatch. Couldn't smell a thing. Only time I worried was at night when you could see the glow. JE, RIP.

VIP is probably "pilot" from talkairline. All he did was stir the shiz, troll and rattle cages. He's a waste of oxygen an the forums, contributes nothing and is going to do nothing except get another thread locked. (Along with the other two or three here who have to keep trying to prove they can out-douchenozzle each other.)

Equally creative choice of name VIP1234 and pilot.

...maybe a little jet but we know the difference between your and you're, money can't fix stupid!

...he want's instant gratification, welcome to today's society!!!

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Mod Note:

In case anyone missed my note in the big Mesa thread, let me repeat it here that I will be giving a big warm brohug to anyone who posts silly ridiculous things that will reasonably lead to the closure of not just this thread but any thread.

in non-brospeak, I mean I will take the crash axe to you.

I won't be doing any brohugging tonight as I am using my tablet, but my broskills will be sharpened, well rested and ready tomorrow.

Love, Brosephine, your favorite moderator

PS: thanks, Facebiter, for introducing me to brodette talk. Let's work on secret handshakes next. :)