Envoy should sue ALPA...
 

No joke. Could you imagine any other industry where the union undercuts ITSELF to award work to another group of people under its own umbrella? Talk about a solid case for mis-representation. ALPA did not represent Eagle's best interests when they negotiated the PSA contract. I bet it could be argued they knew this would be the end result.

They'd certainly have a case.

I wonder if a regional-only union would improve things. There might still be the potential for undercutting, but it stands to reason that it would be less likely without the influence of the majors.

The "potential for undercutting" would be less likely if Hulas and JO couldn't staff their undercutting operations, and the recent concessions at Brownstreak weren't voted in to begin with...

Thank you for your contribution to the thread; unfortunately it's not the topic of discussion.

^^^^^This.

Exactly. Add to it that national signed off on two TAs in such AAG explicitly told you the terms they demand. Uncertain where you think ALPA is liable.

...says the former XJT pilot who just left XJT for Mesa in search of a quick upgrade.

No...they would not.

The bar for DFR is very, very high.

Folks often confuse ALPA National with ALPA *Local*...Locals like EGL and PSA, where individual pilots within that Local both negotiate their own CBAs (with assistance from National) and ratify or reject those CBAs.

EGL pilots *knew* contraction and even shutdown was a possibility when they rejected their TA. Having the hindsight of what happened to Comair, they rolled the dice and took their chances.

It sucks, but one cannot logically blame ALPA National for this without first and primarily casting "blame" where it truly belongs - the Local level.

Sure, but I'm pretty sure Moak's signature is required on these contracts. National endorses them. Hell, Moak was at the table for our BK contract at Endeavor. National could squash these contracts, but they don't. Shifting planes and destroying jobs is an abomination of union representation.

But they can.

I feel your sentiment, but ALPA is not a union. ALPA is an organization. Your union is your only union. It is time for people to stop calling ALPA a union, it is nothing of the sort!

ALPA National takes union dues out of my paycheck ...

"ALPA" (national) is not a union. It is an ASSOCIATION of independent MECs, and the Constitution & Bylaws of the ASSOCIATION are written in such a way that the local MECs are virtually autonomous when it comes to contract negotiations. The bar for an ALPA President to refuse to sign a PWA is even higher, (basically, it being a C&Bl violation) and would result in a lot more DFR lawsuits than bottom feeders undercutting each other will.

ALPA's "system" has been flawed since day one. Unfortunately this only became apparent after deregulation when "commuter" airlines arrived on the scene. The only solution is one industry wide seniority list and pay scale to prevent undercutting and back stabbing. Of course this will never happen. The second best option is a true union that represents regional pilots. That also will never happen. So as Joe Merchant likes to say, either play the game or don't. But don't whine that the game beats you. We all created this mess.

Which gets funneled right back to your MEC after National takes their cut.

ALPA doesn't represent you personally, they represent the card you carry in your wallet. It doesn't matter who sits in your seat, as long as they carry the card. When you finally realize that, you will want anything but ALPA, not matter how "good" you think ALPA is. For example, if Delta goes on strike, and you cross the line, as long as you are willing to carry the card(pay dues), you are now a DALPA pilot.