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TalkTurkey 12-08-2014 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1778720)
They have stated they want each carrier to focus on one fleet type. The Scum get the CRJs and Envoy would be the Embraer fleet type. Peidmont focuses on the Dash and some of our Embraer until we merge.

That's cost-effective. I see a yes vote on this one. But I'm outside looking in. It seems as though you've all been running the gauntlet far too long. I guess we will soon see. Hat is off.

tom11011 12-08-2014 08:52 AM

It sounds like if Envoy accepts this deal then PSA will be the new premier American go to regional with all of its QOL enhancements that no other regional carrier seems to have.

amcnd 12-08-2014 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by FL410 (Post 1778688)
10 years. Wow.

Suprised they did'nt go for 16!!;) has more sentimental value..

RJ Pilot 12-08-2014 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 1778729)
Suprised they did'nt go for 16!!;) has mor sentimental value..

The 16yr did its job specially after 9/11.

Good Luck.

PilotJ3 12-08-2014 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1778726)
It sounds like if Envoy accepts this deal then PSA will be the new premier American go to regional with all of its QOL enhancements that no other regional carrier seems to have.

But with no flow... :P

Keep selling PSA, the industry is taking care of itself. If they are getting so many pilots, why would they make a Kool Aid video?

The701Express 12-08-2014 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Check Complete (Post 1778701)

Originally Posted by FL410 (Post 1778688)
10 years. Wow.


But it wont matter.

Anyone at Envoy right now will be long gone in 10 years, it will be the rest of the regional industry that will suffer the scars of this agreement.

Management, has again won.

It does matter. The effects go beyond the regionals.

The lower the cost of regional feed, the greater incentive management has to fight to loosen scope, which hurts us all in the end.

Good luck to the Eagle guys and gals.

Systemized 12-08-2014 09:17 AM

Can someone at Envoy provide some insight into your current work rules? I know you have no min day or rigs. What about cancellation pay? Is it trip or leg-by-leg? What rate are deadheads paid at? How about sick and vacation time? About about premium pay including junior mans and open time pick ups. How does trip trading and open work? What's the deal with with PBS? I thought you guys agreed to PBS during the ch.11 contract.

buddies8 12-08-2014 09:33 AM

Cancellation-by month, trip and leg=100 after transition, third day of new month.
DH=fifty percent
120% open time, 150% junior manning
Trip trading stinks
PBS maybe someday but not today

Skyler02 12-08-2014 09:53 AM

I am confused. Isn’t the survival game in the regional world virtually, the airline that can attract the new hires, is the airline that will survive?

What about this new contract would attract new hires to Envoy?
It essentially puts new hires on a B Scale (C Scale?) with the 12/4 that applies to new hires but does not apply to current pilots (Thank God). No growth. No upgrades. What am I missing that would make Envoy attractive to new hires?

And 10 years?

All the best to Envoy pilots.

eaglefly 12-08-2014 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by Skyler02 (Post 1778762)
I am confused. Isn’t the survival game in the regional world virtually, the airline that can attract the new hires, is the airline that will survive?

What about this new contract would attract new hires to Envoy?
It essentially puts new hires on a B Scale (C Scale?) with the 12/4 that applies to new hires but does not apply to current pilots (Thank God). No growth. No upgrades. What am I missing that would make Envoy attractive to new hires?

And 10 years?

All the best to Envoy pilots.

This airline wont be around in 10 years.........at least not in present form. The regionals have become rat farms that are being pitted against each other and it seems the rats are all too willing to do battle. How sad.

"Good Luck". ;)


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