Envoy Recruiting Video
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=eOl_8JsVwoI&app=desktop

Because I am quick to jump on other regionals for "duping" people, I would be a hypocrite not to bring this up.

I don't know how our recruiting department sleeps at night.

"Come to Envoy and flow to American!!"
In small print: "Current pilots flowing have been with Envoy a short 16 years! The current flow just stalled because of unforseen(yeah right) undefers returning to AA."

They should probably disable comments and voting. Videos already at 10 thumbs downs with 0 thumbs ups.

what a poorly put together video, full of flat out lies.

LOL @ the FO talking about with the 175 coming on-line, it means faster upgrades ... except for the fact they are reducing the fleet overall with the 700's to PSA, and some 145's being parked, and shifted to XJT and TSA. How exactly does that math work out?

they are truly desperate.

Ugh...........

Speaking of duping, here's our contribution. So pathetic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPQRd0uGCo8

Even better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4gVz3CLOTM

That PSA video is a much better put together than the envoy one.

Are you serious? Literally as I was typing out my comment and hitting submit, I receive the "Comments are Disabled" message now. What a bunch of pu$$ies.

The video maybe put together better but their 3rd class morals and 2 faced ways outshine everyone... Not long ago in CHO, I overheard 2 PSA guys talking and one actually said he hoped Air Whiskey to go under so he could be based dca, take their planes and upgrade faster.... Effin punk....

Who on earth is narrating that video? Sounds like they didn't hire an actual voiceover guy but went with just whoever was down to do it....

I like the shot of the 145 taking off while they filmed it on a high speed car going parallel the runway. Michael Bay would be proud!

There are dozens of negative pilots from every airline on this forum alone.

Do you want to be judged by the worst person at your company? Then don't judge others in the same manner.

That's funny I say the same thing about PSA. Except I don't need their planes, bases or pay rates.

Is anyone else very annoyed by the flight instructor that couldn't be bothered to put his clip-on tie on straight?

I am not judging, we've seen first hand what PSA did to EAGLE. Then I heard these 2 PSA jabroni's wishing ill will onto AW... I certainly did not just sit there and say nothing... I told them exactly what I thought of that comment and the pilot group who voted yes... Was I being a Richard? Probably.

So, by saying "third class morals and two faced ways", you are not judging all PSA pilots?

And, PSA did not do it to Eagle, AAG did. PSA voted NO just as many times as Eagle. The only thing that the PSA pilots did was realize that if they voted no, they would be punished for it. The Eagle pilots were slower to realize this. PSA and Eagle were both told that if they did not vote YES, that they would cease to exist. PSA believed it, and Eagle did not.

Voted no when? A few years ago when you took all the jets that you were supposed to split with pdt or this time when you guys walked from an industry wide ffd committee and pact to stop the whipsaw? Hey everyone on property when you sailed the industry down the toilet is a captain now. High fives all around!!!'

Do not forget to include PDT for a few of those 145 transfers.

When is envoy giving those CRJs to PSA?

GoodLuck!

You're lying, you don't have the balls. What were their names?

PSA did say no to a ridiculous offer that eventually went to Mesa, for a few airplanes.
The biggest slap in the face from PSA to Envoy, and the industry in general, is when they signed a pact to NOT take concessions, and then turned around and took concessions. It was all quickly gagged and brushed under the table by the evil jerks at ALPA National, but it's remnants are there as proof.

All this being said, I think we all know what PSA did is scumbaggery. If I recall reading on here, CLT guy is a youngin' with not much time in the industry. He comes off as one of those entitled spoiled rotten rich kid ATP Flight School types. I would just ignore him: his precious PSA can do no wrong and he NEEDS FOs underneath him.

Back on topic, which is me actually bashing my own airline for reducing themselves to a "PSA-like" level: The video is riddled with lies. Flat out lies. The flow is crud, upgrade times are going up and will continue to do so for a while, the fleet is reducing, and AAG management continues to crap on us every chance they can get. Our local management is the most inept bunch I have seen in 24 years.

I had hoped they would step up recruiting on an honest level. Xjet stepped it up by calling out Mesa and their phone interviews, which is at least valid. This is just a snowjob.

Didn't Eagle sign the same document?

Indeed they did. Twice. So did PSA, twice. I'm not talking about the second one you guys signed AFTER you hosed everyone, I'm talking about the first one most are not as aware of, which had much more binding language.

But back to your original questions, yes, Eagle did sign it. Did you expect us to just continue to jump on the sword as you and PDT gladly took concessions and laughed at us for our efforts? You can try to spin it any way you want, you're company could have taken a stand and the rest would not have folded. The fact you bent over and took it SO fast is an indication of the general selfishness and moral ineptitude of your pilot group. To come on here and start saying "well look Eagle did it too!". You say you had no choice but you know you did. They would not have shut you, PDT, or us down if we had all said no. They were painted in a corner and you cracked first, fast, and the rest was a gushing open wound. Don't ever try to lump us into the same gutless nutless basket as you guys simply because you painted us into a corner and laughed and taunted us for taking a stand. Tired of that weak argument.

I'm glad they included in the video how they train us to put out the flaming bar-b-q, just in case the cook-out at the overnight gets out of hand.

And here I thought we had something with the Tom Brady incident......

Anywho.....You brought up the document, not me. Fact is your group still signed it and your group still agreed to concessions.

As far as our "weak argument" they didn't need to shut ALL of us down. Once they shut PSA down that would have legitimized their threat not only to Eagle but also to PDT.

AAG has proven many times over that there is plenty of staffing out there to place acft wherever they felt was best for them. PSA had 49 acft at the time of our vote. How many has Eagle lost, or are slated to lose in the near future? Plenty more than 49.

Is there a chance AAG was bluffing and that they financially couldn't have shut any of us down? Maybe. I think the facts since our vote support that they absolutely could have, probably 3 times over. Either way, 61% of our pilots decided they didn't want to gamble when it came to their jobs that support their families' livelihood. They went with the sure thing. They were smarter than I was at the time.

Lastly, No one freakin laughed, or "taunted" you for voting no. Get the F over yourself.

Really? No taunting? Do we need to rehash the tools that were on social media laughing when PSA was awarded our RJs? I could go into detail about the words some of your tool pilots have said when I booted them off the Jumpseat, but that would give me away. No, generally your pilots have been smug little SOBs most of the time.
Meanwhile we held the line and watched to our dismay as not only did you reap the rewards of our no vote by pilfering our young, you did it with a smile!
You broke the contract. You ran the industry into the mud on the AAG side. I have no doubt in my mind that of Envoy had been "first up", they would not have flinched; they would have honored the contract and done their part to stay united against the managements that have tried to undermine peoples lives and careers. You flinched big time. Now, after NOT honoring the contract, your retort is "Well Envoy signed it and broke it too!". ONLY after you opened Pandora's box. Your excuse is weak and if this is all you can keep grasping on to to try and hide how many people you screwed, then you obviously know deep down how wrong what you did really was.

ONE guy says something on facebook and the entire group are scumbags? Should I consider every Eagle pilot a raving lunatic because you come on here acting like a tool calling me names?

O the people you wouldn't let jumpseat said something mean you? What did you expect?(still think you're lying)

Again, I'm not making excuses, and YOU brought up the "contract(lol)" not me. I was just pointing out that you are being hypocritical since your MEC signed it as well. Because apparently you doing the SAME EXACT THING as us is different because you were "forced"......right?

In no way, not even kind of, did we do the same exact thing as you. I just explained that; doing the same thing as you would have been us in the same EXACT scenario as you - having just(within weeks) signed a pact to NOT take concessions and then taking them. As I said, if Envoy were there, I have no doubt we would have told them to go pound salt. Do not forget they actually did come to us first with those 30 CRJ900s, requests for concessions, and threats. Our MEC relayed this to the pilot group and he response was so overwhelming that where you quickly bent over and screwed the industry, we quickly said no go away. It was so swift that AAG knew they had to move on and so they moved to you and gave the same threats. The rest is history: you are gutless.
So, in no way did we do the the SAME EXACT THING. Breaking the pact by you and PDT forced us to stay alive by taking the crappy deal you did. If we had said no, the retribution was going to be swift. More importantly, scumbag operations like PSA would have benefited, making our cause worthless.
I really cannot believe you are still telling people we did the same thing. I cannot believe you can rationalize that in your noggin. It's pretty sad guy.

Here is the question: If PSA had said NO, would you have voted to take all of the PSA pilots with their current seniority and put them on your seniority list when AAG shut PSA down? That is exactly what would have happened. How would 500 pilots losing their jobs have helped the industry?

Such lunacy. So you are saying it was okay to vote yes, ruin the lives of many Envoy pilots because they said no, to stay alive? We were faced with the same threats, and said no over and over until it was clear we had no choice: now that they had extracted the pay cuts and benefit reductions from you and PDT, they COULD shut us down. You weren't going to ge shut down and you know it. If you don't, you are saying you believed you would get shut down and decided it was either you or us and you would rather it be you. Either way, gutless and without a moral fiber for your "fellow" pilots.
Just remember we said no to the same deal you got offered. If we had said yes, you would be screwed still right? In retrospect, seeing as you wanted to play every man for himself, maybe we should have just said yes to those 900s first and let you be shut down anyway right? Oh wait, but people like ME are the problem. Laughable, kiddo.

Serious question. Why did they show Envoy pilots flying the 170 if they aren't on property yet?

Kiddo? I will guarantee I am at least a decade older than you. I probably got my Masters Degree when you will still eating paste and finger painting.

And yes, PSA would have been shut down within a year. We only had a handful of airplanes.

The only reason that Envoy voted yes is because AAG showed your MEC the exact plan for shutdown and how it was going to work. There was a timeline and everything in place to shut it down. They finally believed it and panicked and everyone voted yes.

Voting no was a luxury that Envoy had since you were so much larger than PSA. PSA had no bargaining power. Envoy voted yes as soon as they realized that they had no bargaining power.

Your anger is misdirected, how do you not see that after all that has happened. ALPA and your MEC let you down big time, mainly ALPA though. Time you acknowledge that, in fact its time all alpa regionals acknowledge alpa's role in this mess.

http://youtu.be/ddRYNJO_Vyg

A much more informative video.......

Haha! Rubber Dog Poo pilot out of Hong Kong!

Many pilots in the industry hates PSA...except PSA pilots. That much is clear. Flying for that scumbag outfit is a decision they'll have to live with for the rest of their careers. They're all modern day sc@bs and it's going to really suck if we have to fly alongside those pathetic pieces of sheet one day at AA. Good luck in your career *********s.

You can debate it when you are slinging gear in the right seat for one of their pilots over at American in a few years.

By the time that happens, 3 out of 4 pilots that will at the time be working at PSA will have absolutely no knowledge of the past or what you're talking about. You'll be judging a workforce of almost 2000 pilots by a vote made by 250 people a few years back. You're the one who's going to look like a fool for living in the past and continuing to blame pilots instead of management. People end up doing what's best for them and their families when faced with impossible decisions. Get over yourself and quit crying, it's getting old.

all? you know about 35-40% (don't remember the exact number) voted no right?

watched it again because you mentioned this and I didn't see anyone flying a 170. What you talkin bout Willis?

lmfao!!!!!