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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
(Post 1935069)
What happened to the tide?
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Depends. Did you fly a Cirrus or Cessna 172 before? Makes a HUUUUUUGE difference.
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Originally Posted by hijo
(Post 1935048)
Just a little bit of knowledge to drop on you regarding the original question. If by some chance they have 175 slots available during your training then yes you can bid for it. It will go by seniority. For example, if there are 30 new hires in your class (bahahaha) and there are five 175 slots the rest are 145 then the most senior (DOB) in your class will get the choice till they are gone.
Now here is something to think about. If you get the 175 as a new hire know that you will be at the bottom forever and everyone that is on property prior to you will cut you in line once they are displaced over to the 175. This truely sucks. Speaking from experience you don't want that. I was hired as DFW CRJ FO and it was senior equipment. EVERY fo that chose to come over would be above me on the seniority list. I was sitting standby at the airport for 8 months and logged about 150 hours. Then by the grace of God there was a displacement were I was sent to the ATR and guess what? I had some seniority! I could hold a line with weekends off and could bid decent vacation blocks. It was a completely different and much better job. I really wish someone had told me not to step in that pile of sh!t back when I was a new hire. Make sure you do your research on the regional of your choice >>>as if you were going to be there the rest of you life<<<. That may not be there case but you never know when the music stops and you're left with your junk in your hand. Reaseach, reaseach, reaseach! Contracts pro/cons, QOL, bases and commuting, future of the airline. It's not all about upgrade time and travel benefits. That's how management stuckers you into coming to the dark side. |
And it only took 5 pages of ****ing and moaning to get it.
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That's one perspective/possability. If envoy continues to shrink the 145 fleet at the same pace people leave then there will be no displacements off it. In that case all new hires will get the 175 as it is growing. That would leave someone hired this summer as the bottom guy on the 145 hating life. Similar thing happened on the crj back in 2010/11 with new guys getting crj lines while emj guys hired years before were on ready reserve listening to complaints about junior guys not getting the lines they wanted. Only after multiple small displacements was the sifting completed and seniority evened out. Likely same thing will happen again
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Originally Posted by Bigpimppilot
(Post 1935189)
That's one perspective/possability. If envoy continues to shrink the 145 fleet at the same pace people leave then there will be no displacements off it. In that case all new hires will get the 175 as it is growing. That would leave someone hired this summer as the bottom guy on the 145 hating life. Similar thing happened on the crj back in 2010/11 with new guys getting crj lines while emj guys hired years before were on ready reserve listening to complaints about junior guys not getting the lines they wanted. Only after multiple small displacements was the sifting completed and seniority evened out. Likely same thing will happen again
We should be done shrinking by the end of this year. I believe the CRJs will stay longer than expected. AAG need us to fly those Aspen trips, which nobody else can do them. I think once the 175s get into property envoy might be a place to be again. |
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
(Post 1935207)
We are getting 2 EMJs out of the desert to cover flying from DC.
We should be done shrinking by the end of this year. I believe the CRJs will stay longer than expected. AAG need us to fly those Aspen trips, which nobody else can do them. I think once the 175s get into property envoy might be a place to be again. Management's strategy is to TALK about how great things will be, all the while doing the exact opposite. Our "leadership" (I use that word very loosely) have made employee-management relations the worst in this companies history. A new-hire coming here could very well be getting ahead of the game in their career, just be prepared to be treated like a piece of dirt for the foreseeable future. |
The thread is about 175s and who gets on them. I'm saying that if your already at envoy and your not scheduled to get on one of the first deliveries then your stuck on the 145 bc they will never displace you off of it in our 2 bases. New hires will be getting the 175s as they are brought on property. 145s will not leave entirely and it'll be doing atr flying while the 175 does longer legs. Let's all look forward to the internal strife that will cause. That is all.......
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Originally Posted by Bigpimppilot
(Post 1935246)
The thread is about 175s and who gets on them. I'm saying that if your already at envoy and your not scheduled to get on one of the first deliveries then your stuck on the 145 bc they will never displace you off of it in our 2 bases. New hires will be getting the 175s as they are brought on property. 145s will not leave entirely and it'll be doing atr flying while the 175 does longer legs. Let's all look forward to the internal strife that will cause. That is all.......
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Originally Posted by Bigpimppilot
(Post 1935246)
The thread is about 175s and who gets on them. I'm saying that if your already at envoy and your not scheduled to get on one of the first deliveries then your stuck on the 145 bc they will never displace you off of it in our 2 bases. New hires will be getting the 175s as they are brought on property. 145s will not leave entirely and it'll be doing atr flying while the 175 does longer legs. Let's all look forward to the internal strife that will cause. That is all.......
Most of them ended up on reserve when we started losing flying to other airlines. |
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
(Post 1935207)
We are getting 2 EMJs out of the desert to cover flying from DC.
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
(Post 1935207)
We should be done shrinking by the end of this year.
Still, they're flexible enough to change as needed.
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
(Post 1935207)
I believe the CRJs will stay longer than expected.
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
(Post 1935207)
AAG need us to fly those Aspen trips
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
(Post 1935207)
I think once the 175s get into property envoy might be a place to be again.
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 1935300)
They need to fix QOL first before anybody recommends it again in my opinion. They came out with their turning it around stuff, then did nothing to back it up, and actually treated us worse.
Looks like it's time to admit that it doesn't appear to be a very good time to be an Envoy pilot after all. |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1935316)
Reneging on promises has been their M.O. for decades. That's a major point I made about your incessant sales tactics here that others may be unaware of. Everyone should be able to get more than one side to a story (or sales pitch).
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1935316)
Looks like it's time to admit that it doesn't appear to be a very good time to be an Envoy pilot after all.
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 1935341)
decades? AAG has only been running the show since December 2013. There are significant and distinct differences. On our end at Envoy they actually get less direct intervention than AMR used to ever do. Unfortunately we are stuck with managers and upper level management who only know how to do things the AMR way.
I guess you haven't seen enough yet to convince yourself there really is no "distinct difference" between past and present. Another year or so into the future should do that. :cool:
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 1935341)
Depends, doesn't it. QOL issues change all the time. We're in the middle of contract negotiations over entire sections of the CBA; so knowing them it makes perfect sense the pain they're inflicting. Every month we see more of the super senior guys punch out to AA, and it makes their bogus offers look good by comparison.
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 1935341)
We're in the middle of contract negotiations over entire sections of the CBA; so knowing them it makes perfect sense the pain they're inflicting.
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Originally Posted by web500sjc
(Post 1935813)
I thought a long term contract was signed in January?
Reserve section is getting a complete overhaul. Part of reason managers are making life so difficult here is to try and get the MEC and pilots to cave on certain items. |
Originally Posted by jdflyer1999
(Post 1935927)
Renegotiating to ensure CBA is in compliance with 117 rules. Currently there are issues causing headaches for both sides. Since there is negotiating both sides are trying to make certain gains. Example, Company wants trip/duty rigs for CDOs, Mec says they must be for all trips or no go.
Reserve section is getting a complete overhaul. Part of reason managers are making life so difficult here is to try and get the MEC and pilots to cave on certain items. Explain it to the trolls |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 1935341)
Depends, doesn't it. QOL issues change all the time. Let us know which way your going, thanks. |
I just wanted to say thank you for everyone's suggestions, as of right now my prospects are Skywest, compass, republic, envoy and Piedmont, I'm still not sure where to lean to thou I do think compass would be good but bases are far from me. I currently have around 900 and need 1000 for the RATP. I'll try doing my research on all of them. Once again thanks all
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Originally Posted by Justadude
(Post 1936148)
I just wanted to say thank you for everyone's suggestions, as of right now my prospects are Skywest, compass, republic, envoy and Piedmont, I'm still not sure where to lean to thou I do think compass would be good but bases are far from me. I currently have around 900 and need 1000 for the RATP. I'll try doing my research on all of them. Once again thanks all
Otherwise, you have a pretty good list. I don't think you can go wrong with any of those airlines you listed. Do any of them allow you to live in base? Let that tip the scales in one direction or the other for you. Despite all the crap you read on here, all of those airlines are good places to be. All have pros and cons and it evens out. Here at Envoy we are in the process of negotiating improvements to our day to day operations. The E-175s arrive later this year. Both those will combine in the fall/winter to make Envoy a much more viable place than the trolls around here think. |
My bud says 5 day trips coming soon to envoy.
Its a good time to be an envoy pilot! Good Luck! |
Originally Posted by Justadude
(Post 1936148)
I just wanted to say thank you for everyone's suggestions, as of right now my prospects are Skywest, compass, republic, envoy and Piedmont, I'm still not sure where to lean to thou I do think compass would be good but bases are far from me. I currently have around 900 and need 1000 for the RATP. I'll try doing my research on all of them. Once again thanks all
If you want good movement at a growing, young airline with then Compass is it. |
Originally Posted by Justadude
(Post 1936148)
I just wanted to say thank you for everyone's suggestions, as of right now my prospects are Skywest, compass, republic, envoy and Piedmont, I'm still not sure where to lean to thou I do think compass would be good but bases are far from me. I currently have around 900 and need 1000 for the RATP. I'll try doing my research on all of them. Once again thanks all
There is no other choice you should be looking at. |
Originally Posted by pagey
(Post 1936232)
Are you in your 20's? If so go to PDT and enjoy a 30-35 year career at AAG.
There is no other choice you should be looking at. There is a reason we parked a ton of the things to begin with. We have plenty of pilots. |
Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
(Post 1936213)
My bud says 5 day trips coming soon to envoy.
Its a good time to be an envoy pilot! Good Luck! Good Luck |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 1936419)
The problem with PDT is the fleet. If fuel goes nuts, they're in trouble. Long term, my bet is PDT gets folded into one of the other two when their jets aren't profitable enough... or when a pilot can't be wasted on only 50 seats.
There is a reason we parked a ton of the things to begin with. We have plenty of pilots. There is still no better choice on his list than PDT. |
Originally Posted by pagey
(Post 1936434)
Perhaps....and there could be another 9/11, or a meteor could hit the earth. Betting on some catastrophe will give you no good choices.
There is still no better choice on his list than PDT. |
Justadude, if an airline allows you to live base go there.
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
(Post 1936213)
My bud says 5 day trips coming soon to envoy.
Its a good time to be an envoy pilot! Good Luck! Let the misinformation flow. They are NOT coming at this time. They are on the union questionnaire. If pilots decide this is what they want, or, the pilots decide (if it should come to that) that 5 day trips are what they are willing to do to get "X", THEN 5 day trips may become a reality. But keep spreading rumors, the flames are fun to play with. |
Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
(Post 1936213)
My bud says 5 day trips coming soon to envoy.
Its a good time to be an envoy pilot! Good Luck! |
Hers is my pilot input, hell NO to 5 day trips. 5 day trips are no more efficient than the current 3 to 4 day trips we have now. We would have 5 day trips worth 15 hours pay here at useless AAG holding.
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Originally Posted by jdflyer1999
(Post 1936517)
Company proposed them. Union wanted pilot input on idea, hence questionnaire. My best guess is that it will be a nogo item.
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
(Post 1936465)
Let the misinformation flow.
Let the misinformation flow. And generation after generation of wide eyed, up and coming pilots will be led astray in a never ending cycle. Companies such as Republic and Mesa practically depend on it. |
Uh, Envoy does too. Two and a half upgrade my a$$.
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How many pilots have been hired this year?
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 1936437)
I didn't disagree. I simply pointed out the weak part in their model. it relies on a plane everybody else is trying to get rid of. That can be a red flag, and it should be. There's good reasons everybody is ditching them.
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Originally Posted by Bell0805
(Post 1936747)
PDT has more growth and opportunities out there right now then any other airline that i know of. They have done really well so far with the Dash and should only improve with the 145. Not discussing the planes themselves PDT has a really good contract. It is missing nothing or at least very little.
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 1936419)
The problem with PDT is the fleet. If fuel goes nuts, they're in trouble. Long term, my bet is PDT gets folded into one of the other two when their jets aren't profitable enough... or when a pilot can't be wasted on only 50 seats.
There is a reason we parked a ton of the things to begin with. We have plenty of pilots. PDT also has all of the contract provisions to accept 175s down the road and I would expect to see that eventually. The 145s going to PDT had more to do with FAA oversight than what the long term plan is. The FAA wants to see the progression of the 145 program before approval of the larger jets. Will there be consolidation at that point? Who knows...but you would want PDT's contract to rule the day, that is for sure. |
Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd
(Post 1936756)
PDT also has all of the contract provisions to accept 175s down the road and I would expect to see that eventually. The 145s going to PDT had more to do with FAA oversight than what the long term plan is. The FAA wants to see the progression of the 145 program before approval of the larger jets. Will there be consolidation at that point? Who knows...but you would want PDT's contract to rule the day, that is for sure.
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Is this what we've come to?
PDT has a good contract? Is this by measure of actually how good PDT's contract is or how far everyone else has fallen? |
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