Envoy new hire in 175?
 

Hi all, is there any chance new hires in October-November range would be able to get into the 175?

Do you think you could handle it? What's wrong with a 145?

Doubtful. Probably dallas on the 145 is more likely.

He can't log that precious Under Wing Engine Time. UWET SIC is worth triple what that tail engine time is worth. Everyone knows that.

Haha if you want to fly a shiny new E175 with eagle on the side of it, go to RAH. If you want to fly a shiny CRJ with eagle on it, go to psa.

I don't have a problem with the e145 but if I could choose I would rather the 175, also it sounds like envoy has better flight benefits then RAH and contract...

Why would you rather fly the 175?

Our flight benefits are probably better than anyone elses but still arent that great. Our contract *specifically the Reserve section* may as well not exist as the company has thrown it out completely. Schedules are terrible. Expect as as line holder to have 55-66 hours of credit a month with 11 days off. Expect to be commuting in a day early/the day after your trip as well. Right now it takes almost 4 years to hold a line in ORD. Im not sure about dfw but its probably close to the same. The flow, for now is working which is good. I personally expect that to stop after the 824 arbitrator award. Protected pilots are just covered under the contract and the company shows us all the time what they think of the contract. The company i believe a few times has said they wont flow the company out of existance, so... take that FWIW. We arent getting many new hires in the door, most of the movement we have is due to flow and attrition. Fortunately most of that attrition seems to be upward movement and not lateral movement like the company wanted.

Holy crap. This forum becomes more and more useless by the day.

To answer the damn question: Can you get the E175 out of training? Maybe not in October. But probably later in2016 as more come online.

Are you serious? Everybody knows the schedules are typically better on the 175. Trip pairings are usually higher time with less avg legs per day.

And you can credit the 175 time towards the emeriates 2000 Heavy jet hours box.

Maybe he doesn't want to fly a old, crappy, broken down ERJ that you have to nurse home so you can make it home. Maybe it's that???? I'm with him. If I was a new guy I go somewhere that has new airplanes.

Go away to your mainline section.

Possible but not likely. we should know more in 2 weeks when new bid is to be released. I do know there are supposed to be some CRJ opening that would be available to new hires.

You may not want to. The FAA will for sure be hanging around. Failure rates will be high... Any nee type on certificate is like that... Dont want that hanging over your head..

Study, try hard, work with the senior pilots in the group that know whats going on and what the check rides are like, talk to your instructors if you feel behind. You will be fine. I've never failed anything here with 5 long term trainings, 3 type ratings, lots of PC's and even with the "select few" EMB check airman that were supposedly out to get people a few years ago. Every new hire that has asked me for help and put in the time to do what needs to be done, has gotten through fine. The other new hires that try to do their own thing, don't listen to senior pilots advice on what is important and what isn't.. or try to lone wolf it through training wasting time studying irrelevant crap are the one's that have problems 90% of the time. This has been an extremely consistent thing since I have been here.

John Walsh is in charge of the 175 training, he is probably the best/most fair/knowledgable instructor we have. I'm not sure why he stays here. I think things will go just fine.

Oh, and pretty much zero chance of a 175 new hire this year.. maybe later. Not now, we have around 50 FO's waiting for training on it currently this year and none are even on property yet until NOV.. First one's scheduled to be flying are around FEB/2016

go to envoy and enjoy pilot purgatory

It's an AQP type ride. Failure rate should be very low.

:eek::eek::eek:

That is all.

Anytime you build a new fleet type the schedules are atrocious for quite a while till there are enough birds with the ability to swap for mtx and wx delays. While the schedules might ultimately be better due to the type of flying, they will initially suck.

Yeah that is absurd. Took me a month.

Our current management ensures the schedules are atrocious. It doesn't matter the aircraft count. In August there is a four day trip worth 9:08.

Is there a trip or duty rig?

Lmao yea. Its called so it or get a missed assignment.

What's that? No such animal at envoy.

This times a million. Until our management stops punishing us I wouldn't recommend any new-hire coming here. Long term I think things will be fine, but in the meantime it's absolutely awful. Just when you think the QOL can't get any worse, it somehow does.

Edit: There are also 3 days in DFW worth 3 hours. You heard right. You can thank Ric Wilson for that...if there ever was a manager who needed to go, it's him.

Seriously ?!?! You guys don't have any type of trip/duty rig, or min. day guarantee pay?

Negative. Nothing. We never have. If we even had semi-efficient trips, then trip/duty rigs or min day guarantee would be pointless. With the way our illustrious management team has built our schedules, they are a necessity.

Refer to the thread titled DON'T COME TO ENVOY and... DON'T GO TO ENVOY

Because it requires less skill to fly?

I love it when people try and make new guys feel bad for wanting to fly newer equipment. Why fly a 175 or jet, instead of a 145 or prop?

The fact is that newer equipment is more appealing, and generally pays more.

To the new guys, that's not to say that it makes sense to chase an airframe. After around 300 hours, maybe 4-6 months, the novelty and wow factor of the airplane will wear off. Oher things (like upgrade time, pay, time off, job stability) will weigh more heavily on your mind than what type of airplane you fly.

Nobody bids an airplane for the sake of flying that plane. There are always other overriding factors (base, pay, time off).

That being said, go to a regional with growth potential. Don't pick a place that is shrinking. If you want to go to an airline, and find out that many of the pilots are leaving, that should be a huge red flag.

On RSV it's a minimum of 3:54 minutes per day. Line holders are either protected to either their line value for the month, minimum line value (72), or what they actually fly, whichever is greater.

Examples: awarded line worth 65 hours. Due to weather you have 2 days cancel (loss of 7 hours flying). You then complete rest of month with about 58 hours of flying. Your pay is for 72 hours.

Same example except now line is worth 85 hours. You will be paid for 85 hours.

More creative pay buffering. You are awarded a CDO line with 32 hours of flying (Guarantee of 72 hours). You drop 4 days (2 CDO's) each worth 2.5 hours each. You then pick up 4 day OT trip worth 15 hours. You now get paid 72-5+15=82 hours with 15 hours paid at 150% or 200%.

Trip/duty rigs would be nice because it would force them create more efficient trips or pay us more.

What they said was the kind of flow that could actually cause that, would also cause a line out the door for pilots to get in here.... hence the doors wouldn't close.

The rest of your posting I agree with.

Except that CDOs have been eliminated and droves of people are saying that drop requests are now systematically denied despite the alleged 'overstaffed' condition of the company.

DON'T GO TO ENVOY

Still the same games? They were doing that stuff back in 2008 when I was there!

Yea, except Bowler looks like an Einstein compared to the current "management team".

Seriously, there were more leadership skills in my morning dump today than that rag tag group could ever hope for.

You missed the point of my post. It was to answer the trip/duty rig/pay question before. I also wanted to show that with a little creativity you can buffer your check. Lord knows I've done to it enough

As far as the CDOs, yes they've gone away, but they'll come back, they always do.

Drops have been tough over the past 6months, but I suspect they will be improving in the near future.

I'm coining a new recruiting slogan for them:

"Envoy Air: Maybe things will get slightly better, but probably not".

That should bring a flood of applicants to the door!

Just a little bit of knowledge to drop on you regarding the original question. If by some chance they have 175 slots available during your training then yes you can bid for it. It will go by seniority. For example, if there are 30 new hires in your class (bahahaha) and there are five 175 slots the rest are 145 then the most senior (DOB) in your class will get the choice till they are gone.

Now here is something to think about. If you get the 175 as a new hire know that you will be at the bottom forever and everyone that is on property prior to you will cut you in line once they are displaced over to the 175. This truely sucks.

Speaking from experience you don't want that. I was hired as DFW CRJ FO and it was senior equipment. EVERY fo that chose to come over would be above me on the seniority list. I was sitting standby at the airport for 8 months and logged about 150 hours. Then by the grace of God there was a displacement were I was sent to the ATR and guess what? I had some seniority! I could hold a line with weekends off and could bid decent vacation blocks. It was a completely different and much better job.

I really wish someone had told me not to step in that pile of sh!t back when I was a new hire. Make sure you do your research on the regional of your choice >>>as if you were going to be there the rest of you life<<<. That may not be there case but you never know when the music stops and you're left with your junk in your hand. Reaseach, reaseach, reaseach! Contracts pro/cons, QOL, bases and commuting, future of the airline. It's not all about upgrade time and travel benefits. That's how management stuckers you into coming to the dark side.

What happened to the tide?


Good Luck!