XJT and Republic are completely different animals negotiating wise from PSA/Envoy and you know it. XJT et al voting no means nothing compared to a no vote from PSA or Envoy.

The only thing Envoy said no to before PSA's vote was a true B-scale that any group would've voted down. That was voted down on the MEC level and never got to the pilots so you can get off your high horse on that.

What did you end up with? How is it better than PSA? Please give specific examples, and if possible, please give specific contract sections since I know you are an expert on PSA's contract.

Yes, this makes you seem credible.

Can you suggest a better way to respond to a guy that just talked to me like we were a couple of college freshman pledging a fraternity?



I would like to point out though, instead of actually contributing to this discussion, all you have really done is stood against the wall and thrown out insults without anything really important to say.


Do you have anything of importance to add or are you just going to continue to give me vague insults?

If you Envoy pricks hadn't voted in such a big concessionary contract to get a supposed flow, you wouldn't be dragging the rest of the regionals down.

They have stated they want to upgrade just north of 200 pilots this year, meaning that's 500+ in 2017 they would have to upgrade...so yes, you are right, but something still does not add up. Five hundred upgrades would be quite a feat, but does that sound doable to you?

Please explain to everyone how we voted in a concessionary contract to get a flow agreement.

I have given up trying to add any kind of intellectual response to you guys. I am just surprised how an adult thinks that name-calling somehow proves his point. Anyone buying snake-oil that management is selling is not very smart. Anyone claiming projections about years into the future is fact, is also not very smart.

Well, you are kinda right about the math not working on the 2.5/6. I ran some numbers recently and IF it works out and thats a big IF it will only work for a small group of pilots. The 2.5 I definitely think is a long shot but I do think we could see 6 year flows from new hires.

At 30 per month with a 1950 pilots thats a 5.5 year flow. When its gets slowed to the last step thats an +8 year flow.{those flow numbers are with EVERYONE staying at envoy and not going to another airline/not flowing} So, IF AA doesn't stop hiring the 6 year number for SOME PILOTS will happen. If you look at their mandatory retirements then I think we all will agree AA will continue to hire over the next 10 years. Now, I haven't looked at the upgrade time, but with the flows for the next to years I think we could easily be looking at three years.

Anyone interested in the article, here it is...

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/business/aviation/sky-talk-blog/article48915540.html

Actually everyone as of October 2011 had flow rights to AA via the bankruptcy contract. This was before Parker stuck his stick in us.

He isn't interested in the facts any more than Pagey is. Emb145 has moved on to "Bigger and Better Things" but has such low confidence in his decision, finds himself constantly involved in subjects about envoy. He hopes that envoy's flow will fail so he will feel justified in his decision to leave.