Originally Posted by SilentLurker (Post 2206468)

Just looking back seeing trends and projections from some naysayers... wondering how close they were/are to facts and projections. Nothing wrong with being a pessimist or cautious and hoping for the best.

Folks are quieter on the flow doubts. Schedule issues are being worked on. But still some doubters (not saying the person i'm quoting, just many others here on APC i've read their comments going back) as they spew negativitiy still today, even after their personal projections and cautious rhetoric are exceeded (Pay, Flow, QOL, schedule changes to come).

Old guard Kirby is gone, new blood pilot friendly AAG planners are onboard, optimistic that changes with schedules will occur.

I'm proud to be at ENY with a great pilot group, strong history of fighting the good fight for the INDUSTRY. Like many other newhires were glad to be here. Before the new announcments, it was very discouraging reading the negative posts on here. That is why my drum beats loud, optimistic and positive. I understand the distrust from many 6-10yr folks. I understand the negative mgmt culture that existed. I did not live it but i supported Eagle guys & gals the whole time. I read it all, i spoke to them on flts and at airports such as LaGuardia. But now we've seen positive light comming, positive changes occuring as mentioned by this OP from back in Dec 2015. The excited folks were knocked down or insulted, but were they wrong? No. Hindsight 20/20 huh.

Let ride this wave.... for as long as we can & move-up & out when its time. If the gravy train keeps flowing as projected let it... flow with it. Be the mentor to the new-hires you wish you had. I've heard how many of you were treated. Why repeate it? Be the change & mentor you sought & wish you had.

2.5 yr Upgrade or better, and 6months flow or better projected & actions taken to SUPPORT those claims.... I'll take it. Not doubt it.


To the negative vibe spewing profanity filled vermons (no insult, just couldnt think of better/appropriate words) I'd like your proof and trending facts against the currently obvious disposition.

To those interested or considering joining Envoy, come on come all, your welcomed, be the change you want to see in this industry. We need more good people. Envoy pilots have been through a lot. But things are changing for the better and changing faster than expected. Lots of bodies joining. I'd be happy to be your referal if your a good hearted person like me (;-), before you apply to Envoy, PM me, we can talk, network, etc., I'll help you out the best way i'm able also. $5k referal bounus should never go to waste.

Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2206669)

The future at Envoy is so bright you gotta wear shades.

Originally Posted by Jersdawg (Post 2206667)

The flows were jammed up by letter T pilots returning. We weren't supposed to send any flows during those months but some still made it over. The 176 number isn't bad considering it should have been much lower.

Originally Posted by boiler07 (Post 2206833)

How are your career expectations over at allegiant?

Originally Posted by ORDinary (Post 2206864)

Yeah, but everyone knew about the letter T pilots when they made that 300 claim. In fact, the very reason naysayers on forums like this called BS on the 300 estimate was because we all knew about the recalls coming back. So, in other words, the 300 was a gross overestimation, many pilots predicted it was when the claim was made, and have now been proven right. I'm very hopeful that they go to 40/mo and it's sunshine and rainbows for everyone, but since so many of the their past predictions and claims have fallen short, what reason do we have to believe them now?

Originally Posted by Jersdawg (Post 2206956)

I called BS on the 300 prediction as well. I was honestly thinking about 150 this year max. So the way it's gone has been a pleasant surprise, to me, anyway. Keep expectations low and you'll never be disappointed 😉

Originally Posted by boiler07 (Post 2206976)

Management realized it was wrong too which is why we saw subsequent letters with lower numbers. Those did turn out to be more accurate.

Originally Posted by Simpsons (Post 2207096)

So when will the letters about these current predictions being wrong come out?