Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 2038878)

I'm a line pilot here. I'm as frustrated at the games they play as anyone else. There's a difference between being frustrated vs spewing hatred of the airline you work for. One is just typical pilot bi tching. The other needs to consider finding a different job. I've worked with toxic people like that. Trapped in a flight deck with an angry ranter makes for a sh it trip, and these are the guys that FO's call in sick to avoid.

Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 2039159)

All the stuff that happens in this forum, and people are worried about language? There are considerably less civil things happening. It'd be like getting a ticket for jaywalking while an assault takes place across the street.

Originally Posted by SpreadEagle (Post 2038572)

I would put a little more value in this data than in RW's predictions, with the exception of the total pilot staffing chart. I don't think Envoy is going to be able to retain 360 new hires for the year. I also believe that if the company were to offer more money, it wouldn't be for pilots already on property. They will try to entice more new hires with some sort of creative stepped bonus plan. The point being, there is absolutely no reason to come to envoy right now, unless you want to live in DFW or ORD, possibly...? There are other carriers that have bases in those locations offering shorter upgrade times with better QOL. We need to have some serious attrition for the QOL of life to get better for our own pilots. This flying 68 hour average hard line value and having 45% of your ENTIRE pilot group on reserve is RIDICULOUS! This just shows how overstaffed we have been and that the company should've furloughed. Unfortunately that would've activated the 100% flow to AA clause, something obviously AA did not want. I can see how reserve might be attractive for you if you are senior enough on reserve and want to get paid 75 hours a month for not working. This is a terrible organization to work for, they enjoy blowing smoke up the a$$#$$ of the pilot group and then laughing at them behind closed doors. Make no mistake, the management here absolutely despises their labor force. Very evident with the number of disciplinary terminations, constant contractual abuse, paired with the "fly it and grieve it," attitude.

I don't know how many times, or how many ways one could tell potential new hires to:

"STAY AWAY FROM ENVOY AIRLINES! YOU WILL HATE AND LOATHE YOURSELF FOR WORKING HERE!"

but I guess some people just have to learn the hard way...

Originally Posted by adspilot (Post 2039495)

Poor guy. I have been here about two years now and on RSV in DFW. I flew less than 30 hours last month and I got paid for almost 90 hours of flying. I can't remember the last time I did a 4 day trip. I am home an average of 23 nights out of the month. In all my time on reserve I have only had them once go outside the contract by junior manning me into a day off. Which worked out better for me because I was trying to pick up OT on that day anyways. I go to work when they call. I call in sick when I am sick. I really enjoy working here.

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2039525)

You have to admit though that the cumulative effect of flying about 350 hours/year isn't helping your competitive ranking with your peers who might be flying 800 at other regionals.

Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2039563)

Leave it to you to find the worst of any scenario. No, you're not a bitter old man, you just have opinions.

If they fly the reserves 85 hrs a month, it's abuse. They hardly fly them at all and now one can't be competitive. Nothing but negative from you my friend, any everyone can see it. The FACT is, there is enough reserve flying that those who WANT to fly can proffer for trips and fly. Those who DO NOT WANT to fly, can stay at home, get paid for it and pick up OT on their days off and get paid as he has described above. Sounds like a win to win for all to me.

To put you into perspective, can anyone here imagine spending all day trashing their old flight school or charter operator. But that is what are buddy eaglefly does. Instead of moving on to bigger and better things, he spends all his time trashing and finding whatever negative thing he can find about his former employer. They must of have messed you up good eaglefly. Bill Murray from Caddyshack comes to mind. Kind of pathetic.

Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2039617)

Got to be honest. Working at Envoy on reserve blows. Actually, working at Envoy period blows. Can't quite understand the cheerleading squad on here.

Originally Posted by CODs4ever (Post 2039666)

Did it get worse there after AMR spun them off from the previous American Eagle brand? Or was that just a financial move and it's still the same old American Eagle it was 10+ years ago?

Originally Posted by N927EV (Post 2039670)

That guy doesn't even work for envoy. So, don't ask him.

It's not as good as it was during the AMR days, but it's really what you make of it.

Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2039617)

Got to be honest. Working at Envoy on reserve blows. Actually, working at Envoy period blows. Can't quite understand the cheerleading squad on here.

Originally Posted by DaCowboys (Post 2039671)

Anyone have info on new hire class today? How many? Airplane and domicile? Thanks!

Originally Posted by N927EV (Post 2039690)

I believe 12. Not sure on the bases.

Originally Posted by N927EV (Post 2039670)

That guy doesn't even work for envoy. So, don't ask him.

It's not as good as it was during the AMR days, but it's really what you make of it.

Originally Posted by mr25cents (Post 2039687)

Can't quite understand why you pretend to work at Envoy

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2039580)

Those were valid observations and they were directed at him, not you.

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2039580)

Leave it to YOU to once again pull the string in your own back continuing to perpetuate your demented and raging harangues on anyone you feel threatens your Envoy reality even when not directed at you. Also once again, your drooling obsession with me boils over resulting in another "flaming sky" to so aptly honor your chosen identity here.

Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2039743)

Hopefully I won't be much longer. If I can't get hired at an LCC or major I'm now seriously considering PDT or Compass.

Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2039769)

Oh please, for the love of god, go. Go as fast as you can.

Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2039786)

Funny thing is, I could go to PDT and be in the left seat in under a year and very likely, flow to AA before you. How would you like that?

If there's anyone here that's narcissitic, it's you cowboy. You're like that big chump in high school who is just on the verge of being fat but thinks you are really big and ripped. You roll your tight T-shirt sleeves up to show off the guns, which in your case are really just chunks of fat. Then you threaten anyone who talks to your girlfriend. In your case, the girlfriend is Envoy and everybody knows you are a toothless tiger.

Why are you a toothless tiger? BECAUSE THE FLOW AIN'T GONNA HOLD UP CHUMP!

Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2039786)

Funny thing is, I could go to PDT and be in the left seat in under a year and very likely, flow to AA before you. How would you like that?

Originally Posted by boiler07 (Post 2039831)

Actually, you wouldn't.

Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2039768)

If you wanted to keep the conversation private you should have PM'd him. You don't see me over in the AA forums making wild claims about your seniority integration, do you? If you don't want me to challenge you, stay out of my playground.

Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2039768)

Ah, weren't the 80's great! If you couldn't refute someone on the grounds of a solid argument, you simply question their sexuality and you would stop them in their tracks. Unfortunately for you, it isn't the 1980s anymore, and such attempts to deflect my observations will not work. I understand that it feeds your narcissistic tendencies to think attention toward you is something person but if it wasn't for your obvious all out Jihad on the company I work for, I wouldn't know who you are. Since you still carry the "envoy" chip on your shoulder, I will always be here to knock it off. If you cannot handle that, I suggest you stay on your own side of the tracks.

Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2039833)

There's no guarantees either way. I've got a better shot at flowing from PDT than from ENY.

Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2039786)

Funny thing is, I could go to PDT and be in the left seat in under a year and very likely, flow to AA before you. How would you like that?

Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 2039887)

That would be AWESOME! Go for it! No really, get out of here. Go. It'll be good for you to bash a whole 'nuther airline




Then you won't mind leaving so that some other guy or gal who actually gives a damn about their job can move up a number.

Put your money where your mouth is. If you actually work here.

Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 2039923)

Why do I care? Because that 16 year contract that everyone hated so much actually protected us from the worst effects of everything since 9/11. Economic downturns, bankruptcies, etc. of surrounding regionals and major airlines had minimal effect on us including our furloughs. The company wasn't great about our contract, but they weren't awful.

Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 2039923)

I don't care about the post-bankruptcy company that has expended every effort to deliberately make our lives miserable, but I do care about the people I work with, they make this job a good job. Well, except for the people like you that have a toxic effect on your environment. Unlike you I want this job to be better, and if that means providing practical and balanced information to potential new hires like so many others on this board do I will continue to do so. They're all adults and capable of deciding if the good outweighs the bad, but I'm not going to sit around spewing hatred for this company and shoot myself in the foot out of a sense of, what...? Vengeance? Just like your pal you really are just throwing your friends here under the bus. It's not like ENY cares one bit what you think it what you've done. But hey, burn both engines to the gate, don't talk to your ground crew until they use the correct verbiage, don't do the walk around for your FO when he's got a tight connection, don't call for the gate agent when they're not there to help your tight connecting passengers. You're really sticking it to the man.

It's an OK company to work for. Not great, not awful, just OK. And maybe, just maybe if AAG puts their money where their mouth is, it'll be a nice ride for folks hired in the next couple years.

Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2039786)

Funny thing is, I could go to PDT and be in the left seat in under a year and very likely, flow to AA before you. How would you like that?

If there's anyone here that's narcissitic, it's you cowboy. You're like that big chump in high school who is just on the verge of being fat but thinks you are really big and ripped. You roll your tight T-shirt sleeves up to show off the guns, which in your case are really just chunks of fat. Then you threaten anyone who talks to your girlfriend. In your case, the girlfriend is Envoy and everybody knows you are a toothless tiger.

Why are you a toothless tiger? BECAUSE THE FLOW AIN'T GONNA HOLD UP CHUMP!

Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2039895)

I plan on it. You are in deep denial. Give a damn about my job? I come in and do what's required. Nothing more and nothing less. If Envoy gave a rip about the employees, you would likely have people trying to save gas and the rampers would be ready and waiting to bring you in.

The question is. Why do you give such a damn about Envoy? They would totally steamroll you if the opportunity presented itself.

You guys have to quit taking up for this company. Yes, they are flowing some now. I believe (my opinion) is that this farce of a flow will slow and possibly totally stop after the 824. If you are gambling your whole career on this magical flow, then let me sell you some oceanfront property I have in Arizona.

Enjoy the view from whatever seat you are in on the 145/CRJ/175. If you are outside the 824, you will likely be warming it for years to come.

Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd (Post 2039875)

Come on over! You won't be on reserve at all and you can be a CA on your terms....out of training, 6 months, a year, up to you 😃

Originally Posted by ag388 (Post 2039999)

PDT is not for me, going to get screwed out of flow there too. I will not be happy at any airline and thus must stay as a flight instructor forever.

Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2040150)

More flying given to SkyWest out of LA. They will be using 7-10 CRJ-700's for LAX flying. With half of our pilot group on reserve, AAG can't see fit to move this flying back to Envoy. CRJ's used to do this as fly through.

This place sucks. Don't let anyone on here tell you otherwise. I wouldn't recommend Envoy to my worst enemy.

Some may stay here and accept the daily punishment that management doles out in hopes of eventually obtaining the brass ring and flowing right out of here.

Let me say to all you current Envoyers, get your current seniority number and subtract about 400. That's where you will be and stagnate for quite some time after the last half of the 824 flow. Then it will be daily punishment and being treated like dog **** in perpetuity.

I've finally had enough. Going to PHL job fair for PDT this month. They have the same flow deal over there but the catch is, they have only 450 or so pilots. So a much better chance at actually getting out of there to AA than at Envoy. Let's see, the bottom of 450 pilots or the bottom third of 2000 pilots. It's easy math for me.

I can be treated like dog **** at PDT just like Envoy and at least have a reasonable chance of getting to AA while I apply everywhere else.

Originally Posted by SkyWago (Post 2040159)

And in your tiny mind you think that PDT with a smaller pilot group which is understaffed, have a smaller flow number every month, and trying to get a new aircraft online (unsuccessfully at this point) is a better option? How do you see them not getting the flow cut off either and grinding to an abrupt stop?

You don't think there is issues working over there and getting treated by scheduling? Have fun waiting 3+ months for a sim in New Hire training and making crap money while you sit at home deciding what to do with your thumb.