Envoy or Mesa?
 

Hi,

What airline would you pick, Envoy or Mesa? and why? No previous 121 experience and live in DFW area.

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Mesa all the way, bending over is good exercise

I would go with Mesa but people say I'm a little biased.

Go with Mesa. We don't want you here if you're too lazy to do your own research.

Maybe he doesn't want to be on reserve forever and be part of a shrinking airline. I know a lot of people coming from eagle to Mesa but none leaving Mesa for eagle. But you are too busy drinking the flow koolaid to care. Whatever.

That is because most of the guys that get hired at Mesa do not meet the hiring standard for envoy.

A lot? Really? How many? I find that hard to believe. Envoy isn't exactly rainbows and unicorns, but I would not pick Mesa if it were me choosing.

Most of the guys huh? I have no doubt that some can't get hired at envoy, but most? Where did you get your koolaid son, because I'd love a round!

Now THAT'S some funny stuff right there. Do you do stand up on your off days?

I just threw up in my mouth a little. Like its NASA or something....please.

There's regional pilots, and then there's Envoy pilots. They got dat flow mane!!!

Oh you poor child...I just said we don't want him based on his laziness. I would prefer not to fly with someone of that caliber. Btw, who said anything about flow? It seems like the majority of people who bring it up are those that don't work here. Funny how that works...

I was just poking the bear after his smart ass comment. Don't get your panties in a wad.

You really shouldn't let strangers on the internet get to you like that. I was just having a little fun. I actually find the whole my regional is better than your regional kind of silly. Except PSA, I definitely hate those guys. :p

Asking opinions of pilots is a form of doing research. Laziness would be applying to only one and accepting it blindly. Sifting through all the garbage on APC isn't exactly a good use of time if there are willing and able dudes who will answer his question. Flow is the only reason anyone would pick envoy. That's why it was brought up. That is the one thing you all have to hold on to and the only reason anyone in his right mind would go to envoy in this climate, unless people love reserve, shrinking airlines, closing bases, unfulfilled promises and bad management relations. Or if they have skeletons and won't be able to get hired outside of a flow.

I can't believe how much some of you guys are obsessed with our flow! Get over it!

Calm down brotha I was being facetious.

In all seriousness, OP don't come to Mesa. The last thing we need is more new hires filling classes here.

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We have hired and/or interviewed a large group of Mesa pilots in he past 4 months at Envoy. Not all were hired, and at least 2 didn't pass the background check after being hired.

How could they not pass a background check, considering they were at a regional already? I mean, unless they did something stupid while working at Mesa, but kept it quiet....

Mesa had the best crews. Everybody was so CHILL...how could you not be to work there? That being said...honestly why are you limiting yourself to those two? You wont upgrade at Mesa for a long time. Envoy has flow at least...if you had to pick one i guess envoy.

I can't get into specifics. But different airlines have different standards. And in some cases, yes. It happened after they were hired at their current regional.

Envoy?! Why not Piedmont.

Can you please define "a long time" for us new to the game?

Ha, how do you figure I'm Cujo?

p.s. I know who you're talking about, but sorry no I'm not. Not even close. I'd hardly call myself an envoy cheerleader either...far from it. This place has gone down the tubes and I can't wait to get out. I will say it is nice having a light at the end of the tunnel and it not being a freight train, something I wouldn't have said a year ago.

Don't come to Mesa, with the flows, $30-$40 an hour first year pay at other regionals, there is no reason to come here.

The quick upgrade train has sailed, you had to of been hired by winter 2014 to have a guaranteed Ca spot. Even with the 18 new 175s coming.

We need empty classes to pressure managment for a new contract.

Seriously, don't come to Mesa. Much better deals elsewhere. If you come here now, you are probably the type that would work for free or pay for a job, and doesn't need health insurance. And if you somehow make an upgrade, you will be on reserve FOREVER!!!
Every Mesa base is senior on CA side. As in, 2013 hire with fast upgrade has had majority of time been on reserve.

It's hard to tell, but someone hired today is going to be an FO indefinitely until attrition spikes. I'd say a good 5 years or so. Do you really want that for yourself considering our FO pay rates?

So should people hired after winter '14 bail?

Hard to say. Def no point in being here DOH Spring 15 on....

Haha send him to U street with me. I mean piedmont. ****.

haha I need some U st in my life soon brah.

Mesa would be the easiest choice if you wanted to be based at home. Short reserve time and no 50 seaters. When the oil prices go up or a downturn in the economy they will be the first to go. Last bid we had mid 2015 hires upgrading. I still have friends hired in 2011 at eagle still on reserve! I would take the 10 dollars less per hour to have a decent line and have a life outside of work. Eventually mesa will have to provide a better contract.

Neither?

If I were picking an airline right now, I'd be looking at Endeavor, Piedmont, or CommutAir. Go to whichever one has the easiest commutable base. If your in the DFW area there will be plenty of flights to get to and from work.

Mesa has the worst pay in the industry and their quick upgrade ship has already sailed, and Envoy is ultimately going to shrink and you will be on reserve for quite some time. If you want to go to an AAG wholly owned right now, go to Piedmont. I know 2 guys at Mesa, one a winter 2014 hire and the other a spring 2015 hire, both are trying to leave.

That 2011 hire must be bidding reserve on purpose. Probably because he or she lives in base and can make it home almost everynight. 2013 hires are holding lines everywhere, but reserve living in base has a better QOL for people who value time at home. Granted you won't upgrade as fast as you would at MESA.

Envoy, hands down. The shrinking has stopped and flowing 30/month off the top has things moving finally. You'll be on reserve a bit longer, maybe a year at most, but doing it from home is cake. Your iPad will be paid for, and there's a $5000 sign on bonus, unlike Mesa.


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If you're smart-neither one

Envoy. It's a no brainer if you live in DFW. Go to Mesa if you want the quick upgrade. But you'll be trying like heck to get out of there in the next few years applying at Frontier, JB, and Spirit. Then after a few years there, a major might take a look at you if you're lucky. Go to Envoy now, and no commute with a good quality of life living in base. Sit back and wait for your flow in 6 or 7 years. No applications, interviewing and luck trying to get on with a LCC after getting abused by Mesa for a few years under terrible management. I did the Envoy flow to AA route and have no regrets. Loved my time at Envoy living in base being home with my family. Most of my buddies chasing that quick upgrade etc are commuting for a LCC job now with their apps in at the big 3 hoping for an interview some day. One out of 16,000 applications at the majors. A few have made it, but their quality of life and marriages paid for it chasing the quick upgrade job and jump to a LCC.

Unfortunately most Regional pilots learn this the hard way. Great post.

Envoy is only shrinking 3 planes next year, with the possibility of bringing back the 30 e-145 that went sent to Xjet/TSA.

They guy doesn't want to commute. Jr base is ORD at envoy. It will take a while before he can hold DFW. There are several guys hired last year waiting to go back to DFW.

If he wants to be DFW based quickly I would go to Mesa, if he wants a career backup then I would choose Envoy. Commuting out of DFW is a pain specially if you're not a WO.

How long did you have to work at Envoy prior to flow?