Envoy newhires to E-175
 

It's official:

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Pretty sad when it comes to this as your selling point as to why a new hire should choose Envoy. Complete with a recruiting poster of a 175 to top it off.

Actually, it's quote an awesome thing. Good news for Envoy as they move ahead. Glad to hear it, and happy that those who stuck by their company are getting new growth in an awesome aircraft. They deserve it!

How do you feel? You signed bad contract to get shiny jets.

These planes aren't growth planes. They're replacements.

Now watch, newhires into the new airframe, and F/Os who wanted to transition get to watch new guys take all the new domicile positions. Exactly how SKYW is doing it because we are "industry leading"

Am I the only one who's trying to decipher what the operator sticker is on this? This doesn't really look like it says "envoy"...am I crazy? Are they unable to use their own aircraft in their marketing materials?

Tail number is 403...all envoy birds are 020-027. It's republic :D

Envoy newhires to E-175
 

Never noticed the Republic logo on there before. I guess that's because I subliminally expect this from management.

Maybe it's not official recruiting material?

Actually, it's smart for Envoy to put new-hires in the E-175. Since they are the most likely to bail due to minimal investment and the worst hand at the upgrade/flow-thru craps table, a shiny new jet just might distract them from pulling the ejection handle laterally to another regional.

The Tin Foil Photoshop Brigade strikes again!!

So does that mean new hires can hold a line in base on the 175 while FOs who have been at the company for years may still be on reserve? And how long until current FOs can bid over? Also, when current FOs can bid over, I'm assuming that will mean any new hires that get the 175 can be pushed down on the list...

Due to the amount of movement we are experiencing, new hires alone won't cover the staffing needs. Especially in light of a pending announcement. There will be displacement bids for current FOs to staff the E175 along with new hires.

Also lower reserve times. The guys in the 145 and CRJ now won't bail because they will be getting NH below them. Is a snowball effect...

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Standing by for another groundbreaking announcement about Envoy!!!


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Don't worry...we were dragged into bankruptcy in 2011...so I know the emotions you are going through right now. But acting this way online won't make things any better for you. It'll have the opposite effect actually. Do what you need to do to make your current situation at Republic better. Flinging anger and hate towards other airlines is counter-productive.

Not angry at all, just eagerly anticipating what the big announcement will be! We haven't had to many good ol' "Great Things" announcement since u took the recruiting reigns from Cuj! Bring it on, can't wait.


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At least it's for new jets. TSA and CommutAir did the same with old 145's they got from XJT.

By pending announcement do you mean AAG exercising its options for more EJets?

Yes. Same thing happened with the CRJ in the past. New hires able to hold a line in a matter of months, people stuck on reserve on the 145 for 4+ years that couldn't bid to the CRJ.

Great for new hires, not good for current pilots stuck on other aircraft.

The 175 will have the most rapid movement for FO's at the company. New airplanes coming in every month and pretty much every current FO on it now is very senior displaced and will be upgrading soon, many will be upgrading on this current vacancy award. So, all the FO's leaving it off the top and current FO's can't bid it = rapid upwards movement for a new hire on the 175. Reserve for a new hire on the 175 will definitely by far be the shortest unless there is another big displacement in the future.

No...that's a 2017 thing at the earliest. This is something else.

Movement we have been told to expect.

It isn't happening until it happens.

Envoy looks like the place to be now. With over 300 flows a year to AA and soon to be rapid movement, I don't see a better regional out there. Things went south there a couple years ago with consessions and loss of aircraft, but now it looks like mainline is counting on them to be their number one feeder.

I have a feeling you guys are going to get MIA back and more flying returned to you.

Funny thing is that we used to be the #1 feeder for AA before the merge. Over 90% of the feed was in house. But hey lets break something that it was working great. Now they have lost over 1,400 pilots with their games.

There was no need for any of this to happen.

If that happens it will likely be a 175 base as well...

Well now aren't you just a Debbie Downer.

If new-hires alone won't cover the staffing needs, Envoy shrinks.

They won't bail anyway (at least laterally). A recent poll proved that barring a call from another legacy besides AA (flow) or LCC, they're in too deep there.

If only there were pilots out there to feed such a plan. It will require well over 400 pilots/year and not just this or next year, but 6 or more for poor F/O Bucket to beam glowingly in AA new-hire Indoc.

The present feeble new-hire numbers won't feed that engine and thus Envoy breaks down and coasts to the shoulder awaiting a tow truck, unless Envoy's drivers can successfully siphon someone else's gas (poaching) or a merger/acquisition occurs.

I'm surprised at the pro-ENY talk here. Why don't we just wait and see if they make good on their promises? This isn't last year where they actually pulled it off, this year they have a lot of promises to keep and are off to a lousy start.

What makes the E175 so special? It pay peanuts just like the ERJ and CRJ.


Good Luck!

You're so poetic.

In case everyone's forgotten, that's still what they want.

This is absolutely a YX 175. Pretty funny it being used here.


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If AA gets desparate for new hires at their regionals, they can always give out seniority numbers. I bet that would help them staff it. And it wouldn't cost them a dime. Other regionals would be toast.

Thanks ! :)

A smaller Envoy ?

You do realize that means less captains, yes ?

Not an option unless AA pilots (not just APA) agree to it. They might, but Parker would have to choke up some serious ca$h for it along with correcting the long list of "wrongs" presently in place, so yes it would cost them a dime. Millions of them.

I don't see that happening, but you never know.

Of course I do.

It has come up in discussion before. Smaller ENY means that those senior pilots that do not wish to flow are clogging up an even greater percentage of valuable left seats available to upgrades and flow. It is a serious issue that I have not seen directly addressed - unless you count making this place a pain in the *** to work for and commute to in order to drive them out. It's worked on several senior pilots I know. "**** that, I quit", they said. And they did. But not enough to solve that elephant in the room if ENY continues to shrink.

Conveniently our projected shrinkage has slowed dramatically, so that will be very helpful in kicking the can down the road. We'll just have to see what happens. I have no idea what the average age of the "Declined" crowd is, or how far they are from retirement. That would also have to be factored in to the ever-fluctuating fleet plan and flow rates.

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