Originally Posted by squawkoff (Post 2097712)

If AAG wanted to add 175s to the Envoy fleet, why take Compass airplanes when Republic has 175s that are owned by AAG? Since Republic is in BR why not aquire theirs? And I keep hearing from Envoy folks that Mesa is leaving DFW in 2017 and that all the flying is coming back to Envoy. But in reality Mesa is picking up more and more destinations that were historically Envoys (FSM, GRK, LFT etc.) Not sure what it is about Envoy and their rumors but they sure like to dream and unfortunately at the expense of others.

And yes Envoy is getting new planes but it's not true growth. For every 175 that comes onto property isn't it replacing a ratio of 145s?

Originally Posted by FlyinFool (Post 2097757)

I agree that it seems like most I read from compass pilots seems very level headed and reasonable. But I've had it from a couple now (the person I quoted included) who have just come off as arrogant and overly self important. Whether it's from scoffing at good things happening to other pilot groups (retention bonuses, signing bonuses, contract improvements etc.) or due to their good fortune at being hired at a company right during an upswing.
Nobody *I know* at my company is salivating at the prospect of taking another pilot groups source of work. Are they excited about future prospects at their own company? Sure. But even that is just speculation at best at this point. Most I would say have seen it enough to understand what that means for another carrier and so keep their mouths shut. It's an unfortunate truth of our business at this level, and sadly, bickering amongst each other just seems to further the problems.
As for the region not mattering I'll have to disagree with you there. Certain regions see far more daily delays and other issues than others all which contribute to just how happy the people on back are. Carriers who operate more frequently in those areas are obviously going to have to contend with that in addition to the other daily struggles all carriers deal in. Nature of the beast.

Originally Posted by Snuffaluffagus (Post 2097764)

Man you eagletards crack me up.

Originally Posted by squawkoff (Post 2097712)

If AAG wanted to add 175s to the Envoy fleet, why take Compass airplanes when Republic has 175s that are owned by AAG? Since Republic is in BR why not aquire theirs? And I keep hearing from Envoy folks that Mesa is leaving DFW in 2017 and that all the flying is coming back to Envoy. But in reality Mesa is picking up more and more destinations that were historically Envoys (FSM, GRK, LFT etc.) Not sure what it is about Envoy and their rumors but they sure like to dream and unfortunately at the expense of others.

And yes Envoy is getting new planes but it's not true growth. For every 175 that comes onto property isn't it replacing a ratio of 145s?

Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 2097822)

Yeah, nobody else posts crap like this.
Compass to gain 20 E-175's from
Compass to gain 20 E-175's from - Airline Pilot Central Forums

Originally Posted by FlyinFool (Post 2097757)

I agree that it seems like most I read from compass pilots seems very level headed and reasonable. But I've had it from a couple now (the person I quoted included) who have just come off as arrogant and overly self important. Whether it's from scoffing at good things happening to other pilot groups (retention bonuses, signing bonuses, contract improvements etc.) or due to their good fortune at being hired at a company right during an upswing.
Nobody *I know* at my company is salivating at the prospect of taking another pilot groups source of work. Are they excited about future prospects at their own company? Sure. But even that is just speculation at best at this point. Most I would say have seen it enough to understand what that means for another carrier and so keep their mouths shut. It's an unfortunate truth of our business at this level, and sadly, bickering amongst each other just seems to further the problems.
As for the region not mattering I'll have to disagree with you there. Certain regions see far more daily delays and other issues than others all which contribute to just how happy the people on back are. Carriers who operate more frequently in those areas are obviously going to have to contend with that in addition to the other daily struggles all carriers deal in. Nature of the beast.

Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2097761)

Because the "compass airplanes" flying for AA are owned by AA. The RAH planes are co-signed by AA. Two different things.

Envoy are getting 2 145 back from Xjet, also bringing 3 back from long term storage. Next year the remaining 13 planes that Xjet has and the 15 that are in TSA will come back slowly. So, not losing many planes anymore. Even the CRJ700 will stay longer than 2016.

Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg (Post 2097683)

Feel sorry for them. They harbor deep hatred for a company/pilot group that is doing well without actually taking concessions, has a quick upgrade, and flies an airplane that is becoming more popular not less. The only thing they can say is "we're taking your ball and going home because we're better than you". Nevermind the fact that they can't point to a single thing that they're better at. Poor guys.

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2097839)

For this to effectively occur, Envoy will need consistently fat monthly new-hire classes that have so far eluded it.

Originally Posted by SayAlt (Post 2097649)

Yeah. That's why I'm laughing so hard. Nevermind the contract in place.

It's AA who owns a bunch of the Compass 175s, not Envoy.

But the title implies that Envoy pilots think of themselves as AA pilots. Hence, "Envoy to retrieve..." (vs. "AA to retrieve...") ...as if Envoy owns them!

I bet at least 1/2 the Envoy pilot group tell people they meet that they fly for American Airlines.

Cracks me up.

Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2097851)

To be clear, out there in 3D Airline Pilot Central AKA the real world, I have spoken to very few envoy pilots that have any animosity toward Compass. We have weekly PSA MEC fire burning vigils but have no hatred toward Compass Pilots.

Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg (Post 2097838)

I apologize if I came off as arrogant. That was not my intention. Hearing other pilots publicly drooling over Compass planes is getting really tiresome. If these pilots could point to a single business case that could make that plausible I would understand. The point of my post was to illustrate that there is no business case.

Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2097861)

Totally agree...its AAG fault that we lost around 1,000 pilots to other places.

Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84 (Post 2097875)

Welcome to envoy's world from 2013-2015, when everybody and their mother was drooling over getting a piece of that American Eagle flying :cool:

Time's they are a changin' What's good today might suck tomorrow and what sucked yesterday might be good today.