Envoy to retrieve the 20 E-175's from Compass
 

More growth at Envoy. Announcement to be made soon.

What's your source?


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What did Compass do to make everyone want it to fail? First 9E now Envoy. The planes aren't going anywhere until 2020 at the earliest.

When I was at Compass 90% of the guys were former 121 or from other already sank ships. I keep in touch with guys still there and though new hires are coming from the nursery, most of the CA's are former 121 guys with 4K hours. I also do not understand the hate.

As far as them loosing those airplanes, last performance number I saw showed Compass peformance above Envoy. What's the deal here guys? Let them be.

Quick upgrade. People are jealous. Saw it at xjt before I left. "you're stabbing pilots in the back, majors won't care about pic soon, stand[fail] with us".

Ummm what??

Yawn


Filler

Go home. Come back if you have something useful.

Bunch of ENY guys went to Compass for the LA base.

Those planes are AAs, Parker need to make his WO attractive. He already said that if is cheaper to make it in house that's the way to go. Bringing those 175 in house it's a way to attract pilots.

It's not about the performance, is about the price.

Good news, but not necessarily growth. The only way Envoy can sustain growth or even maintain present footprint is via 30-40 new-hires/month consistently and so far that necessary component has not materialized. More E-175's should surprise no one though as Envoy is slated to add those and transition older, smaller jets out over time.

"Envoy to retrieve..."

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Darn it...if it wasn't for that dumb thing called a contract that CP has with AA. Oh well.

Nice argument but new hires don't go to a Regional based on a plane....they go for the base and then money...unless Envoy takes back LAX from us I doubt taking those planes away and staffing them in DFW or whatever other base they want to open (MIA rumor) will attract new hires....

Yeah. That's why I'm laughing so hard. Nevermind the contract in place.

It's AA who owns a bunch of the Compass 175s, not Envoy.

But the title implies that Envoy pilots think of themselves as AA pilots. Hence, "Envoy to retrieve..." (vs. "AA to retrieve...") ...as if Envoy owns them!

I bet at least 1/2 the Envoy pilot group tell people they meet that they fly for American Airlines.

Cracks me up.

Attractive as a mean of growth, fast upgrade and flow. Why on earth they would upgrade 70+ guys? They clearly want to bring upgrade down.

Some guys are in compass not because of LAX, it was the fast growth and upgrades. I also seen guys saying "I would like envoy but I don't want to fly the 145, only the 175". Yes, SJS still out there and most new hires also believe the 175 will make them "more competitive".

Like I said, is not about performance, is about what's cheaper for AA. Also envoy used to fly thru LAX with ORD CRJ crews. It can be done...

Doesn't matter for most passengers anyway, as they think they ARE flying AA when they board an "American Eagle" RJ anyway. What AAG regional pilots tell others at cocktail parties or bars to pick up chicks is another story.

Your first sentence in your last paragraph just summed up why AA more than likely won't take those jets away...

Yep. And that's exactly what the thread title implies. :D

Please stop. You're getting so excited you'll probably believe it. I'll say it nice and slow for Envoy guys. Compass... Has... A... Contract... With... American. A contract. With a start and end date. Diva is by far a massive troll and you guys are falling for it.

between Envoy and 9E, Compass is gone by the end of the year....dont know whether to laugh or feel sorry for the ENY/9E trolls

Gotta keep the tinder game strong! Ha


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Nah...I'm not excited, I don't care what the company does. Nobody knows the details of the contract or what AA wants to do. They publicly said that they want to reduce the amount of regionals that feed AA.

Another reason I'm laughing.

It's like Diva walking through a dog shelter holding out a hotdog.

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in the words of facebiter....el oh el

Feel sorry for them. They harbor deep hatred for a company/pilot group that is doing well without actually taking concessions, has a quick upgrade, and flies an airplane that is becoming more popular not less. The only thing they can say is "we're taking your ball and going home because we're better than you". Nevermind the fact that they can't point to a single thing that they're better at. Poor guys.

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So now we have envoy taking back aircraft as well as endeavor.what did poor compass do?

Why does this have to be another thread? And not a single bit of evidence or source to go with it.

Three pages and counting and no source eh?

Not a single ENY pilot would represent themselves as an AA pilot.

None.

And if one ever did, please point him out to the nearest AA pilot for a tune up. We don't need tools making crap like that up. Not even when we were the favored red-headed step child did we dare to imply such a thing.

Second, no ENY pilot wrote that article. AAG's planes, AAG says where they go - if it's true they are going anywhere. Let it be a wake up call to anyone out there at an operator with jets from AA, they'll use you and abuse you to get what they want from someone else, then take it all away.

Lastly, hell yes new hires care what plane they get. In the ENY thread at least three have directly asked if they'd get the 175 out of training. Those are only the ones who asked, there most likely are plenty more reading these threads with the same mindset. They do want the 175, all the other fleets are forecast to be shrinking.

If AAG wanted to add 175s to the Envoy fleet, why take Compass airplanes when Republic has 175s that are owned by AAG? Since Republic is in BR why not aquire theirs? And I keep hearing from Envoy folks that Mesa is leaving DFW in 2017 and that all the flying is coming back to Envoy. But in reality Mesa is picking up more and more destinations that were historically Envoys (FSM, GRK, LFT etc.) Not sure what it is about Envoy and their rumors but they sure like to dream and unfortunately at the expense of others.

And yes Envoy is getting new planes but it's not true growth. For every 175 that comes onto property isn't it replacing a ratio of 145s?

This thread title is rediculous. No factual info here.

PLEASE MAKE IT STOP. You and 9E need to get a room and tell each other all about how you're gonna get all the Compass planes.

Please shut this lame a** thread down.

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Bolded for emphasis. Lots of tin foil hat guys when I worked there. Very delusional. Can't tell you how many times I heard envoy was getting stapled to AA etc.. I've seen some screen shots of eaglelounge lately and how much envoy guys are drooling over taking "their" flying back from Republic is deplorable.

Your head is shoved so far up your own backside that it hurts just reading this. Compass is like any other contract carrier; You're not special. I know a very select few of you like to think of it as your special "Transitional Jet" and not a Regional Jet, but nothing any compass pilot does is any better than any other regional pilot. Your touted customer satisfaction comes from the A/C your company was chosen to operate and the region of the country it was told to do so in. Nobody on this forum had any say or was consulted in either of those decisions, so get over yourself.

Uh... when has a compass pilot came out said we're better than any other pilot group?!?!? I'd guess that 65-70% of the pilots on the compass seniority list are refugees from other airlines. If anything, we look at is as more a regional than some guys, we've seen how quick things can go bad and are just wanting to move on.

Um yeah, big ole BS flag on that.

Seen it happen wayyy tooo many times.

Back when it was American Eagle, lots of guys would conveniently leave of the Eagle part. Heard it in many bars in the DFW/FTW area.
Of course, I/we would ask what a/c the flew and they would respond with Saab or Candair or Embrair.

Folks that worked under the Delta regional contracts did the same thing.

Exactly! We're not the ones drooling over getting "their" flying back from other carriers.

no ones head is shoved up their ass, Compass for a long time has been a refugee carrier, and you don't see anyone here talking about us being better than anyone else. And as far as our customer satisfaction, I don't see how the region matters as we operate from Coast to Coast in an airplane that is already opereated by other DL and AA feeder carriers, and yet CP comes out on top. We don't have to get over ourselves, people need to stop throwing baseless rumors on the internet about the continual circle jerk of whos taking whoms planes/flying

Damn, I should've stayed at Envoy!

I agree that it seems like most I read from compass pilots seems very level headed and reasonable. But I've had it from a couple now (the person I quoted included) who have just come off as arrogant and overly self important. Whether it's from scoffing at good things happening to other pilot groups (retention bonuses, signing bonuses, contract improvements etc.) or due to their good fortune at being hired at a company right during an upswing.
Nobody *I know* at my company is salivating at the prospect of taking another pilot groups source of work. Are they excited about future prospects at their own company? Sure. But even that is just speculation at best at this point. Most I would say have seen it enough to understand what that means for another carrier and so keep their mouths shut. It's an unfortunate truth of our business at this level, and sadly, bickering amongst each other just seems to further the problems.
As for the region not mattering I'll have to disagree with you there. Certain regions see far more daily delays and other issues than others all which contribute to just how happy the people on back are. Carriers who operate more frequently in those areas are obviously going to have to contend with that in addition to the other daily struggles all carriers deal in. Nature of the beast.