I don't think so. What's normal to one person is not normal to another. That is for the DOL to interpret when you bring your case.


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Ouch. :eek: What are the steps to take if you don't want to be Alpa member?

You're joking, right?

The people here don't need any help from the union when it comes to feeling discontent. There's plenty to go around. What, exactly, would be accomplished by heaping more on the pile? It's not some master plan by the union, that's for sure.

Which rep released this?

I say we all envoy pilots should call in sick and all go out for pizza. That would a site to see. What are they going to do...fire the whole airline?

Wow. I'm a big proponent of tort reform, and want airlines to be profitable for so they have more to give us, but if that's true, I hope that pilot sues and wins BIG TIME.

No. Just sue alpa and decertify them for an illegal job action. This shouldn't even be discussed on apc.

we would not be able to tell the difference after, as wo do now.

Yeah that'll make the planes fly.

Who is to say that the guy wasn't on prescription meds and taking them? Makes you illegal to fly anywhere anytime. I read that the guy was out for sinus issues. I'd lawyer up, and not an ALPA lawyer either--a smart person can always get over on an idiot.

Absolutely not an ALPA lawyer. You can have one of those too, to work your way slowly through the system board etc. But a real very thirsty shark lawyer who knows how to reach DEEP into those corporate pockets. If even slightly true as advertised, only a massive award can stop this in the future.

The fact that any idiot thinks that too sick to fly must mean too sick to get a pizza to go should be investigated for potential criminal intimidation, liable, slander and anything else, and at the very least should cost some bean counting scumbag many millions of dollars.

How many have been fired lately? Cuj, DFW CA rep, two FMLA guys, one for social media stuff... Anyone else? 5, so far.

The DFW CA rep got fired? NS?

Yes. I don't know why.

Jesus, he is one of the good guys. What is happening with this company?

Sad, isn't it?

Although, I think some of those have a good case to fight it and get their jobs back.

its fear and intimidation tactics, its the better relation aag wants with its employees, oh wait, w/o's are pine scum and dont need better relations with upper management.

Maybe that's the reason?

What kind of "social media stuff" ?

Saying not nice things about the company along with some photos.

While I admit I know no details, this is sadly the most likely reason. He is too smart to do something that is a truly fireable offense, so this is doubtlessly an attempt at intimidation. Every day a new low.

If true, then I am at a loss for words.

All this and the union doesn't do anything about it. Union reps should be ashamed of themselves allowing pilots to be spied on while out on leave.

How far will you all let this go? Keep letting the company walk all over you and it will never get any better.

Yea man. I feel so bad for my friend who should've been in class at AA this past Tuesday, but who instead was fired. This guy is such a standup guy, too. Way to pull the rug out from one of their loyal pilots who stuck with them for 16 years, through base closures that forced him to commute for the past three years. :(

All the terminations were justified, on many levels.

The PI's were only sent out due to obvious lying about the SK or FMLA time taken. The PI's documented and took photos.

When the subjects had to opportunity to tell the truth, they lied.

So, they were fired.

They all created a big bulls-eye on their backs. It wasn't just because someone called in sick and got a pizza.

So, it is okay to defraud your employer and work a side job while out sick? And then lie about it when confronted... Just until the photos were shown?

I feel bad for him too as an individual, but he played the system and got caught.

Oh FYI, it is corporate policy to disclose any side jobs one may have, even if outside of aviation. HINT HINT.

If you're out on FMLA you don't get paid. If I have a health issue that prevents me from flying (i.e. Sinuses) but doesn't prevent me from leading an otherwise normal life, you bet your butt I'm going to have a "side job" so I can pay some bills.

The only side jobs this company is concerned with is flying done outside of the company. It's none of their business if I work as a Walmart greeter on my days off.

If he was doing outside flying and lying, well...stupid him.

1) Every manager this pilot worked with knew he had a side job. So yes, management knew.

2) being too sick to legally fly does not make one too sick to work other jobs that don't require the same physical well being.

You obviously seem know this person. You're cool with the lame reasons given to let him go? No letter of reprimand? None of that?
This was nothing more than heavy handed scare tactics to keep the rest of the group in line, in my opinion.

My wife is related to one of the most famous lawyers in Los Angeles-he would eat them for lunch on something like this. Kinda how I'm not flying at Eagle anymore, but am flying a G550.

Laughing all the way boys, laughing all the way.

You have an inferiority complex an it shows with all your posts!!! I don't believe half of what you claim!!!!

I truly don't know the details of any of these recent firings, and I don't personally know any of the pilots involved. I don't mean any offense to you, but what should I believe here, an anonymous poster on a discussion board, or the last few years' worth of behavior towards the pilot group from management? It just seems more likely that management is attempted to intimidate pilots to stop complaining. Especially since two of the firings were of current or former union reps, and one of those reps was fired last year and it was proven that it was a bad firing, done for no cause, and the company was forced to admit wrong and give him back pay. This company has had a trust issue for a while now. I wish they would move to fix it instead of making it worse.