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Taken from notes from a Union conference call.

"...Another pilot was out on FMLA for chronic alleges and sinus issues. The company had this individual followed by a PI. The PI reported that the pilot drove to the bank and picked up a pizza on the way home. The pilot was terminated for this. In response to these types of events, ALPA has asked the company for a list of prohibitive actions while on FMLA that they expect an employee to comply with since discipline, up to and including termination, is being handed down..."

Great place to work! Get a personal paparazzi for calling in sick! Don't like it? Well good news, you don't work here anymore!!!

Envoys sick rules clearly state "NO PIZZA!" Flying and hot cheesy crust with pepperoni should never be mentioned in the same sentence.




Hope the guy can get his job back, but really its probably better he isn't at envoy

That's hilarious/ sad at the same time.

Wait.. I thought they were desperate for pilots....:rolleyes:

It's a great time to be an Envoy pilot.

WT F? If ALPA doesn't get him his job back he needs to get an attorney. You explicitly cannot fly with sinus issues. How does getting pizza have any sort of cause for being terminated?

This is pretty much the same thing that happened to my buddy, except he wasn't on FMLA as far as I know. Tailed by a PI. They are after others too, apparently. I guess they feel they if a person calls out sick, they that means they need to be bed ridden. Any semblance of normal activity will be dealt with harshly and swiftly. It's even better, apparently, if the offender is weeks from flowing to AA. Greater impact when word gets out to the unwashed masses that the company has sent out their warlords: don't call out sick, because you MIGHT get fired.

You senior Captains and FO's keep calling in sick and abusing Leave of absence, that way I can move quicker up the list!

You guys should send a message to the company by EVERYONE calling in sick. "But it's an illegal job action!" [enchilada] em, they clearly don't play by the rules.

Hiring a [snore]ing PI? Are we in the twilight zone? How many thousands did that cost the company? LOL

This might explain why one of our pilots was noted as flowing, but withheld pending a grievance and the union made specific mention of FMLA rules in a recent message. Just a guess based on a recent MEC email.

What a mess. He'd be sitting down at the AA training center in a few days but for this. I don't understand how the company can do things like this and then complain about how they appear in public when issues like this are discussed. Maybe it's legit, but their timing is awful, regardless.

I nominate Envoy for a name change

ENVOY = ENEMA Air we crap on everyone!

Union should help him get his job back he should at least have the grounds for a good lawsuit, if I recall correctly, isn't that an invasion of privacy?

Bravo Sierra

LOL and envoy is trying to fix their staffing issues. My oh my

This is some crazy stuff. I'm glad PDT doesn't have this kind of crap going on. I always take my ocurrences to the limit, as do many. Those people are still flowin' on up...

I heard that Delta looks at your attendance record before allowing you to flow. Too many sick calls = NO FLOW!

The flow at DL has been over for almost a year.

But you are correct that attendance reliability is a big thing for DL.

sick calls do not apply to the 824, applies to all after oct 2011 hire date

There has to be more to the story. Why the in the world would envoy( of all places) care enough to hire a PI to follow one or more pilots.

I think it's all BS what envoy is doing, and hopefully the harmed pilots will be back at work soon.

We are a very weak pilot group, that would never happen. Senior captains in ord would tell on all that did

Why? They company men?

If you're sick, you're sick. The company would obviously know who called in but if the entire pilot group did (or at least 80% as there are bound to be some weak minded ones out there) they couldn't do **** about it.

I listened in on the call and it was ONE pilot who claimed there was a PI following him while he was out on FMLA. Did anyone ask how he knew? Because any PI worth his salt doesn't get "made" that easily. Did the company tell him they put a PI on him? I'll raise a huge BS flag if that's the case.

As it stands, I punched out on FMLA last year and it was a complete non-issue. Numerous friends of mine here have as well and one is currently out on FMLA. Again, non-issue. As I type this I'm sitting on 4 sick calls in the past 12 months. Not once did anyone ask me anything about any of them..last time I even went down to the chief pilots office was the last time we had a checklist revision.

I had a PE (personal emergency) 2 months ago and 2 last year..plus my FMLA. Not once did anyone so much as bat an eye. As far as I know no PI followed me around...nobody I know who has taken FMLA has been suspicious of a PI.

This whole PI talk didn't even start until last week when Neal was terminated. I hope Neal gets his job back, and I'm confident he will...but this PI nonsense sounds like a myth that is getting out of control.

Now, is the company looking closer at sick calls? I have no idea...I do know that for as long as I've been here they have kept an eye on certain people they deem "abusers". They don't care nor do they have time to dissect the entire pilot group's sick calls. These kind of stories pop up every once in a while and usually involves one person who abused the system and got caught.

I love how people only post half of the story to make it all look one sided. "He drove to the bank and then picked up a pizza and was fired."

What did they leave out? Well, he went to the bank, robbed it, then drove right to the airport and flew to Rome, where he got a pizza. Obviously, if he is well enough to fly to Rome his sinuses should be good enough to Fly Chicago to Moline.

(For those of you at Gojet, I'm joking. For those of you at Great Lakes, Rome is a city in Italy. For those of you at ASA, pizza is like fried grits with tomato sauce and cheese on it.)

Why sure it's no issue for you. You are a company man. Envoy never does wrong.

More flights being canceled for lack of crews.. Throw this crap out there and hope for less sick calls. Smells fishey to me. All of it

He is management and not held to the same standard. In fact, I suspect Skyvector and CR700 to be the same person.

BS!!!! If the company you work(ed) for can't reveal why you were fired for, what makes you think that they can reveal your sick call usage?
Prove it and you won't need to work again!

Mesa doesn't pull this crap

They have the money, since they don't pay you crap.

I think they have you sign a consent form for the information to be released? I might be getting myself confused with Alaska and Horizon's deal though.

For the 824 and the protected pilot group, it doesn't have any bearing on the flow. For those hired after October 2011, it matters.

This appears to be a recent thing. You may not have had trouble then, but it seems to be a new day at envoy.

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The day I get fired for going to the bank and getting pizza is the day I'll become a millionaire.

Just to check and see if this situation is legit, the DOL makes it sound like the company may be correct. If he's claiming allergies, then it should be so bad this guy shouldn't be able to do normal activities including duties at work. I don't condone the corporations behavior. This is a good looking-glass opportunity to see what the managers are like here.


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Let's drop the pretense here, the real reason the company has terminated Neal is because he's an excellent rep that has been holding the company's feet to the fire contractually. This is just more Jerry Glass union-busting 101: manufacture an unrelated charge to justify termination. Fire another pilot for similar charges, and make it look like you're just cracking down on something unrelated to union activity to avoid any problem under the RLA. It's pretty simple really.

Do normal activities include operating in a pressurized environment?

There is no way this is the full story. My bet is our crappy Union is releasing a highly edited version of the truth in order to create discontent. Also, consider the source, the union rep who released this is the king of sick/fmla abuse and recently got fired for it. His motivations are highly suspect at the moment.