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Squallrider 10-08-2016 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by Flyjustin (Post 2218130)
I would argue the opposite. Having a flow makes pilots more professional. WO pilots represent AA as if they are AA pilots. I made a lateral move. When I was at my previous non-wholly owned airline I wore a north face jacket and hardly shaved. At the WO, I respect the uniform because ENY/PSA/PDT pilots are basically AA pilots. Our pay checks come from AA profits, we share the same profits, and now are paid like professional pilots. The only difference is the size of our jets. As for laziness yeah it's nice not filling out a logbook. Just like the day everyone hits mainline the logbook usually goes on a shelf to collect dust for 30 years...

So you're saying at a regional you can be unprofessional and then when you get that mainland paycheck boom you're professional...

tinman1 10-08-2016 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by Flyjustin (Post 2218130)
I would argue the opposite. Having a flow makes pilots more professional. WO pilots represent AA as if they are AA pilots. I made a lateral move. When I was at my previous non-wholly owned airline I wore a north face jacket and hardly shaved. At the WO, I respect the uniform because ENY/PSA/PDT pilots are basically AA pilots. Our pay checks come from AA profits, we share the same profits, and now are paid like professional pilots. The only difference is the size of our jets.

Acting like a professional has absolutely nothing to do with where you are employed and everything to do with your attitude towards the profession. You just proved that other guy's point that the whole flow ordeal makes some pilots delusional and lazy. You can refer to yourself as mainline all you want, but as long as your passengers are holding a boarding pass that says "operated by" on the front, well you're still lumped in with the rest of us RJ drivers.

Congratulations though...I am glad the lateral move influenced you to display a more professional attitude toward this career.

Blackwing 10-09-2016 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by Flyjustin (Post 2218130)
When I was at my previous non-wholly owned airline I wore a north face jacket and hardly shaved. At the WO, I respect the uniform because ENY/PSA/PDT pilots are basically AA pilots.

Sure, for half the pay.

Regional pilots are notorious for rationalizing their mistreatment at the hands of management, but this one takes the cake. Is that what you tell your parents and your friends?

Ask an actual AA pilot of you're "basically an AA pilot" too and let us know what they tell you.

And let's get real here: you wore a North Face jacket and hardly shaved at your last place because you're unprofessional, not because of who you worked for.

minimwage4 10-09-2016 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by Flyjustin (Post 2218130)
I would argue the opposite. Having a flow makes pilots more professional. WO pilots represent AA as if they are AA pilots. I made a lateral move. When I was at my previous non-wholly owned airline I wore a north face jacket and hardly shaved. At the WO, I respect the uniform because ENY/PSA/PDT pilots are basically AA pilots. Our pay checks come from AA profits, we share the same profits, and now are paid like professional pilots. The only difference is the size of our jets. As for laziness yeah it's nice not filling out a logbook. Just like the day everyone hits mainline the logbook usually goes on a shelf to collect dust for 30 years...

Come on bro is this a serious post? What about your bank examiners when you have to disclose that you make about 2500 dollars a month flying for "American" or when that hot chick who you told you work for "American" wants to see a pic of your plane? You going to show them the 777 or your 145?

Marlin 10-10-2016 04:46 AM


Originally Posted by minimwage4 (Post 2220264)
Come on bro is this a serious post? What about your bank examiners when you have to disclose that you make about 2500 dollars a month flying for "American" or when that hot chick who you told you work for "American" wants to see a pic of your plane? You going to show them the 777 or your 145?

That's funny

SUX4U 10-10-2016 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by minimwage4 (Post 2220264)
Come on bro is this a serious post? What about your bank examiners when you have to disclose that you make about 2500 dollars a month flying for "American" or when that hot chick who you told you work for "American" wants to see a pic of your plane? You going to show them the 777 or your 145?

I think he's joking... I hope he's joking... For the love of god please say he's joking and AA's wholly owned regional guys don't all think like this!

Folove 10-11-2016 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by Flyjustin (Post 2218130)
I would argue the opposite. Having a flow makes pilots more professional. WO pilots represent AA as if they are AA pilots. I made a lateral move. When I was at my previous non-wholly owned airline I wore a north face jacket and hardly shaved. At the WO, I respect the uniform because ENY/PSA/PDT pilots are basically AA pilots. Our pay checks come from AA profits, we share the same profits, and now are paid like professional pilots. The only difference is the size of our jets. As for laziness yeah it's nice not filling out a logbook. Just like the day everyone hits mainline the logbook usually goes on a shelf to collect dust for 30 years...

"I wore a north face jacket and hardly shaved."

For this reason alone, you don't deserve to move on. He then calls himself a professional pilot....lol smh

GravyRobber 10-12-2016 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by WakeWash (Post 2218119)
I really have an issue with people selling the flow this way. You're telling people to come over and be as lazy as they want, because they have a guaranteed job. You ask for people to be lazy and you're gonna start getting very lazy people coming your way. In turn it's going to degrade the culture at any airline. I personally can't stand the flow for just this reason. Even if a preferential interview was a formality, people still couldn't be lazy about it and had to put in a little effort. Anyone who is so lazy they refuse to try or keep their logbooks updated does not deserve to move on.

Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.

Crawl 10-12-2016 03:01 PM

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