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Telpod 08-29-2017 10:26 AM

Expressjet Industry Experience Credit
 
Expressjet & XJT/ASA ALPA reached a tentative agreement for 10 years prior 121 experience toward longevity at Expressjet for hourly pay, 401k, defined contribution, vacation.

No Lies 08-29-2017 10:48 AM

Too little. Too late.

Other airlines are paying more on first and second year pay than XJT at the topped out FO rate. Also, after 2nd year pay, most regionals will be paying CA rates instead of the XJT FO rates.

Only time will tell if the 10 year upgrade will drop or continue to climb with the merging of the two pilot seniority lists and lack of actual protected airframes under the new UA CPA.

amcnd 08-29-2017 11:10 AM

They copy and pasted SkyWest soft landings 2.0!!!

SkipperBaloo 08-29-2017 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by No Lies (Post 2421595)
Too little. Too late.

Other airlines are paying more on first and second year pay than XJT at the topped out FO rate. Also, after 2nd year pay, most regionals will be paying CA rates instead of the XJT FO rates.

Only time will tell if the 10 year upgrade will drop or continue to climb with the merging of the two pilot seniority lists and lack of actual protected airframes under the new UA CPA.


If enough senior FOs quit, then the upgrade time will definitely drop. I guess its a good thing Brad Rich is the VP of UAX at United regarding the airframes.

No Lies 08-29-2017 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by SkipperBaloo (Post 2421663)
I guess its a good thing Brad Rich is the VP of UAX at United regarding the airframes.

Good thing for who? SkyWest?

Sounds like SkyWest put the perfect person in a position that can continue to move the airframes from XJT to SkyWest in an orderly fashion. They may not be the same tail numbers, but they are still planes getting moved. ASA/XJT will have less planes next year than they are flying today. The airline is still continuing to shrink. Every document that I have seen has a maximum airframe number but there is no minimum airframe number during the extended CPA.

SkipperBaloo 08-29-2017 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by No Lies (Post 2421746)
Good thing for who? SkyWest?

Sounds like SkyWest put the perfect person in a position that can continue to move the airframes from XJT to SkyWest in an orderly fashion. They may not be the same tail numbers, but they are still planes getting moved. ASA/XJT will have less planes next year than they are flying today. The airline is still continuing to shrink. Every document that I have seen has a maximum airframe number but there is no minimum airframe number during the extended CPA.

If Inc. can make a profit then they are going to do it unlike some regionals who just fly airplanes because its fun and they're shiny. So if Skywest has a profitable CPA with United I'm sure Mr. Rich will make airframes available for his good ole' boys. Chromer's update eluded to even more flying possibly coming from another carrier being announced soon. 126 is the minimum and we were told that could go up to 186. What documents have you seen btw?

trip 08-30-2017 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by Telpod (Post 2421575)
Expressjet & XJT/ASA ALPA reached a tentative agreement for 10 years prior 121 experience toward longevity at Expressjet for hourly pay, 401k, defined contribution, vacation.

Another sad scheme that will fail to attract pilots. Where did this plan come from, Hmmm?

amcnd 08-30-2017 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by trip (Post 2422214)
Another sad scheme that will fail to attract pilots. Where did this plan come from, Hmmm?

From OO 2.0.. funny how we are getting crap for it and its not even in place yet. XTJ alpa bending over? Anything not to be ASA in a few years i guess.. (thats what i heard) bet more consesions to come Vacation being one of them... hold on...

Nevjets 08-30-2017 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2422225)
From OO 2.0.. funny how we are getting crap for it and its not even in place yet. XTJ alpa bending over? Anything not to be ASA in a few years i guess.. (thats what i heard) bet more consesions to come Vacation being one of them... hold on...


Who is giving you crap for it?

Anything with any concessions is a NO vote from me. It wouldn't make sense anyway. They've just locked themselves into a 5 year deal. They need pilots, evidenced by this MOU. Concessions is not what attracts pilots and everyone knows it. Besides, by gutting the ASA side, they've already gotten most of the vacation concessions they wanted.

AboveMins 08-30-2017 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2422225)
From OO 2.0.. funny how we are getting crap for it and its not even in place yet. XTJ alpa bending over? Anything not to be ASA in a few years i guess.. (thats what i heard) bet more consesions to come Vacation being one of them... hold on...

Here's the difference between ALPA and the student council... We're willing to burn the f'ing place down before taking concessions, whereas those other guys will jump at a fresh pitcher of Kool-Aid, as evidenced by their last yes "vote" on that joke of an agreement.


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