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Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2614366)

Note I said large. Publix fits this, maybe on other mentioned. But I don’t know that the others would be termed large cap companies.

So you are saying he provided exactly what you asked for.

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Originally Posted by SirLurksalot (Post 2614369)

So you are saying he provided exactly what you asked for.

Yeah, after researching more I’ll have to rethink this analagy. I always think of the failed UAL ESOP when thinking of employee owned companies.

I wonder what percentage of publix stock is owned by past, non-active employees. That could throw a wrench on the argument for employee owned companies.

USAA is technically owned by its customers ("members") and it's done pretty well. Not employee owned though I suppose.

Northwestern Mutual is the same as USAA, in fact any insurance company with ‘Mutual’ in the title fits that bill.

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2614242)

Correct. If you're a tax-payer, you don't want public-sector unions anyway, that's just organized, institutionalized looting of the public coffers. There's a reason our military is the best in the world, and most of the rest of the government can't find it's posterior with both hands.

You mean other than the fact that its budget is more than 50% of all discretionary spending, and totals more than the next 25 countries on the list. That's like comparing the Yankees and the Oakland Athletics.

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Originally Posted by FollowMe (Post 2615159)

Best on a per capita basis, from the human performance perspective.

But the federal civil service is equally large, but they still suck.

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2615165)

Best on a per capita basis, from the human performance perspective.

But the federal civil service is equally large, but they still suck.

Please don't clump the good meat up with the bad with this generalized comment. Not all govt entities are the same... NASA is not OMB, nor is it Upper Michigan Public Services. Also, not all federal employees are unionized.

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2615165)

Best on a per capita basis, from the human performance perspective.

But the federal civil service is equally large, but they still suck.

The military's success compared to the government unions has absolutely nothing to do with one being union and the other not. In fact, if you REALLY want to get into it, ask yourself why the thing you saying is the best in the world is essentially the closest thing in the United States to socialism.

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Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2615186)

I would hardly call the military a socialist system. It is much easier to get rid of dead weight and is much more a meritocracy.
Probably the closest thing we have is the unionized VA system. In areas with political influence it works great- such as DC area. Other areas, not so hot. Success is not rewarded and bad health care professionals are almost impossible to fire, even if they are a “007” (license to kill). My wife has been trying to get rid of an incompetent OB/GYN who is so bad they don’t permit her to practice any more. She has spent the last two years sitting at home collecting $300k/year. To do nothing. Many examples. One in Kansas was really bad and they tried to fire him, but couldn’t until he threw gas on a nurse and lit her on fire. Then they fired him.