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WesternSkies 08-16-2018 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2656436)
If you win the 175’s im sure the United buyout deal is real. If you don’t, then well you know it was all a scam...

Good point.
United pays inc to copy and paste 175 program. United buys express for commutair. United fulfills dream of doing what delta does.
Getting Expressjet mgmt to better steer C5 would be worth the price alone.

Imo

da42pilot 08-16-2018 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2656436)
If you win the 175’s im sure the United buyout deal is real. If you don’t, then well you know it was all a scam...

Per the email, getting these airplanes are only contingent on reaching a new pilot agreement in short order.

DownInPetaluma 08-16-2018 04:49 PM

No surprise there. We are a dwindling commodity, but not to the point they’re willing to admit. Pride ~ prejudice. Get on with it...I’m not advocating giving in, but let’s consider our (perceived) position here.

Bartender 08-16-2018 05:35 PM

Anyone have the XJT Chairman’s response?

Jefferson 08-16-2018 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by Bartender (Post 2656627)
Anyone have the XJT Chairman’s response?


goo goo gah gah goo goo

DirkDiggler 08-16-2018 06:06 PM

I think I’ve changed my opinion about this chairman. He sounds like he has more cajones than his predecessors.

A snippet from his update

“Negotiations
As we communicated recently, we have begun more formal negotiations with our management and the company has committed to an aggressive bargaining timeline. We made our initial pass two weeks ago and recently received a pass back from the company. Your Negotiating Committee was in the process of examining the company's proposal when they were presented with the promise of E175s in exchange for quickly reaching an agreement on a contract that will provide a "cost structure to win this batch of E175-SCs." While we are prepared to pursue negotiations in this expedited manner, we want to be clear when we say that we will not concede to a substandard contract in exchange for promises and distractions disguised as shiny new jets. It's time for ExpressJet pilots to have a market-rate contract that is in-line with our peers across the fee-for-departure (FFD) industry, and we do not believe attaining this is incompatible with a successful bid for the new aircraft.”

Hou757 08-16-2018 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by DirkDiggler (Post 2656660)
I think I’ve changed my opinion about this chairman. He sounds like he has more cajones than his predecessors.

A snippet from his update

“Negotiations
As we communicated recently, we have begun more formal negotiations with our management and the company has committed to an aggressive bargaining timeline. We made our initial pass two weeks ago and recently received a pass back from the company. Your Negotiating Committee was in the process of examining the company's proposal when they were presented with the promise of E175s in exchange for quickly reaching an agreement on a contract that will provide a "cost structure to win this batch of E175-SCs." While we are prepared to pursue negotiations in this expedited manner, we want to be clear when we say that we will not concede to a substandard contract in exchange for promises and distractions disguised as shiny new jets. It's time for ExpressJet pilots to have a market-rate contract that is in-line with our peers across the fee-for-departure (FFD) industry, and we do not believe attaining this is incompatible with a successful bid for the new aircraft.”


I'm impressed for sure!

da42pilot 08-16-2018 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by DirkDiggler (Post 2656660)
I think I’ve changed my opinion about this chairman. He sounds like he has more cajones than his predecessors.

A snippet from his update

“Negotiations
As we communicated recently, we have begun more formal negotiations with our management and the company has committed to an aggressive bargaining timeline. We made our initial pass two weeks ago and recently received a pass back from the company. Your Negotiating Committee was in the process of examining the company's proposal when they were presented with the promise of E175s in exchange for quickly reaching an agreement on a contract that will provide a "cost structure to win this batch of E175-SCs." While we are prepared to pursue negotiations in this expedited manner, we want to be clear when we say that we will not concede to a substandard contract in exchange for promises and distractions disguised as shiny new jets. It's time for ExpressJet pilots to have a market-rate contract that is in-line with our peers across the fee-for-departure (FFD) industry, and we do not believe attaining this is incompatible with a successful bid for the new aircraft.”

I’m new to this whole union thing, but it sounds like pretty standard stuff... yes we want the plane but we’re not going to bend over. Just posturing. Not criticizing anyone, it’s just part of the negotiating game.

AMNegron 08-16-2018 06:48 PM

Having a “market rate contract” that’s cost effective means that the coming proposal will not be market leading.

da42pilot 08-16-2018 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by AMNegron (Post 2656679)
Having a “market rate contract” that’s cost effective means that the coming proposal will not be market leading.

I’m not sure we have the bargaining power for market leading.

If we can get the XJT ship turned around and growing, then I think it would be more likely.


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