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Who is spreading what rumor?

Wouldn’t it be smarter of them to wait out initiating the 175 opspecs until after the pilot group votes? Seems a little premature.

Unless it was already done anyhow


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Unless these planes were coming regardless of the vote.....

^^^^ This.

And because they want to get started now because it takes a lot of work (apparently) to get a new aircraft program running. If it doesn't work out, they'll just stop the process.

It costs them zero $ to send a email to the FAA.. next step would be manuals, training, ect. That has little cost until they actually start putting the “team” together... probably looking real costs would ramp up in October. Until then not much...

I've heard most of the stuff is ready. Just pending FAA approval. That came from the training center last year.

Never too early to get the bureaucracy rolling....

Not according to this..

27 August 2018

In order to dispel the many rumors circulating on social media, your NC wants to stress that we have not considered, and will never consider, accepting any type of "low-ball" offer in exchange for promises of aircraft or other deals. The NC does not feel that the latest company offer was a "low-ball" offer, as it was very close to what we wanted, and they are planning to meet with management negotiators again all this week to continue to work toward a deal with a structure acceptable to the MEC and, ultimately, the pilot group. While we are working out final details of the financial framework, we will also begin to iron out the work rule improvements that we want to achieve in Contract 2018 so that our agreed-upon aggressive bargaining timeline can continue.

Management had informed the NC that they wanted an indication by the end of last week that a TA could be reached and ratified in a timely manner so that they would feel comfortable moving forward with the process of placing E175s on our operating certificate. The certification process is lengthy and expensive and we agree it needs to begin as early as possible so that delivery of aircraft can begin on schedule in April 2019. Rest assured that your union leadership has heard your concerns and is seeking the market-rate financial package you have all asked for on a timeline that will allow us to bring E175s on property.

We will continue to provide updates as we progress.

It would probablt be a cut-n-paste of the Skywest program, already approved. Kinda like when Mesa was having trouble getting theirs approved until big U slide them someone else's program and said use that.

The certification process of a new type is a lengthy and expensive process, much more than simply paperwork. FSI sells the paperwork and that is only the beginning, or Xjet can copy SKW’s paperwork and program. I suspect Xjet management needs the TA approved so they commit to the numbers over the length of the CPA with United. April 2019 is 6 months away. Wow!

I was under the impression that the SKYW program WAS the XJT program.....and went over there once it was finished. Most likely using XJT’s cozy relationship with Embraer, but never intending to let XJT have the planes. (At Keats that’s what I was told years ago)

It was ASA that had started putting it together just prior to the ASA/XE deal. Skywest took what had already been done and added to it.

BS told my AQP class years ago that most of the work for a new type was done. All that was needed was to know the type.

This.............

Are the details of the new contract supposed to be released this week?

Probably see something later this week!

:DI promise once they're released, they'll be immediately posted here!:D

Lol. That's for sure!

And FB and every Email and ... and and and

MEC gets the TA today. Should hear something soon!

Vote in the morning.

Does your entire pilot group get to vote on the TA?

If the MEC votes yes for the TA, then it gets sent to the pilot group.. so yes, the entire pilot group will get to vote on it once the TA passes the MEC vote

Not entirely. I don’t think people with less than one year on property can vote, and I’m pretty sure the CRJ guys can’t vote.

CRJ Pilots do not get to vote.

I'm not sure that is correct. I believe all CRJ and ERJ pilots will vote!

Oh it’s correct alright. No vote for the ASA side has been confirmed.

No vote for the ASA side because all flying beyond the closure of AA and Delta will be under the ERJ contract.

That’s actually the reason why their side SHOULD get to vote,but I’m totally ok with things as they are. Now is not the time to shut down progress over things like PBS and such. For now, there are still two contracts, and they can vote on the one they currently work under.....assuming they have negotiated something?

So the new CRJ 200 flying in ORD. Will those work under the ERJ or CRJ side contract? I'm assuming they will fall under the ERJ since it is United flying?

ERJ, but the TA will be decided long before the first flight is operated.

Copy that....

At this point, I'm less concerned about being able to vote than what's in the TA.
Oh, and what's up with ILIW and SLIW??? So we take seniority and flush it down the toilet???

It doesn’t really circumvent seniority. You bid hard lines, your seniority holds whatever it gets.

The ILIW is a 24 hr period that opens up and is a mad dash to trade trips with whatever got dropped into open time via vacation drops/training/etc If there’s “coverage”, which there is for maybe 45 seconds, you can trade down a 4 day or two for a day trip, and then rebuild your line as you need. The floor is 60 hrs, so you can’t go below it. There’s a science to it. People have multiple windows opened and sync their computers with the company software so at 7:59:58 they know they can hit submit and be right on the 8:00:00 dot to get a trade in (that’s ORD at least). It’s legit over in 1-2 minutes.

The SLIW is whatever garbage 8 hr 4 days are left that aren’t even built into relief lines. At this point in the month, there’s zero shot of dropping anything.

What date is the seniority list finally merged, and the ASA guys moved over to the new contract? When are new hires given the option of the CRJ?

A mad dash is a violation of seniority. If a senior pilot is not available to bid during this "mad dash" period they don't get the trips they want. Seniority-based bid systems, something ALPA fought long and hard to get, are not supposed to be capricious.

Different dates. The seniority lists were merged last summer, but the two groups continued to work under separate contracts until the current CRJ contracts with AAL and DAL wound down. All future FFD contracts will be under the LXJT pilot contract.
A handful of CRJ pilots were permitted to bid over to the ERJ before management realized the CRJ pilots were stampeding out the door to other airlines and they were in danger of not fulfilling the contracts with AAL and DAL.
The first CRJ's go over to LXJT in October our of ORD.
I imagine with the implosion of the CRJ pilot group new hires will be offered that soon. I'm going to guess we will lose about 150 pilots in September. Possibly more.

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From the LASA side... The general feel I get from our group is "Let do this"....
I think everyone gets that there wasn't time to go through what we went through last time, and that while we would have liked to have been included.... so be it.. move on and lets get this done...
We're rooting for you out here...