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da42pilot 09-27-2018 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 2681839)
Anybody remember a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away when Skywest pilots agreed to fly 70 seat jets for 50 seat pay?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Endeavor rates for captain tops out at 122/hr.

XJT is 110/hr + $8,000.

That’s not so far off.

PontiusPilot 09-27-2018 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by da42pilot (Post 2681848)
Endeavor rates for captain tops out at 122/hr.

XJT is 110/hr + $8,000.

That’s not so far off.

People place too much emphasis on top-out rates, which most of the pilot group should hope to never see.

Come to a regional and upgrade quickly, enjoy good work rules and respectable pay, and move on to a major or legacy in 4-5 years. That's the standard formula that most regional pilots are looking for, and fortunately this new contract is the first step in delivering that.

da42pilot 09-27-2018 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by PontiusPilot (Post 2681858)
People place too much emphasis on top-out rates, which most of the pilot group should hope to never see.

Come to a regional and upgrade quickly, enjoy good work rules and respectable pay, and move on to a major or legacy in 4-5 years. That's the standard formula that most regional pilots are looking for, and fortunately this new contract is the first step in delivering that.

We have A LOT of very senior guys who already have topped out or are close to topping out.

PontiusPilot 09-27-2018 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by da42pilot (Post 2681862)
We have A LOT of very senior guys who already have topped out or are close to topping out.

I agree, but the ability to staff is arguably the most important factor for a regional airline today. Top-end rates do not get people in the front door, but career progression does.

Blackhawk 09-27-2018 09:38 AM

This vote was really a no-brainer. If we don't get the -175s AND we are not sold by Inc we go back to Section 6 negotiations 1 February and get paid more while they drag it out. In this case, it's nothing more than a 4-month extension.

push4dough 09-27-2018 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by da42pilot (Post 2681848)
Endeavor rates for captain tops out at 122/hr.

XJT is 110/hr + $8,000.

That’s not so far off.

Get out of here with that junk.
Endeavor tops out at year 15. XJT is 20% longer!
DENIED

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

push4dough 09-27-2018 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2681894)
This vote was really a no-brainer. If we don't get the -175s AND we are not sold by Inc we go back to Section 6 negotiations 1 February and get paid more while they drag it out. In this case, it's nothing more than a 4-month extension.

AND that was removed from the signed legal document.
Hook line and sinker.

Let me tell you how this is going to go. :confused::confused:

DownInPetaluma 09-27-2018 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2681894)
If we don't get the -175s AND we are not sold by Inc we go back to Section 6 negotiations 1 February and get paid more while they drag it out. In this case, it's nothing more than a 4-month extension.

I'm not seeing this written anywhere at this time.

'We' voted in a TA that DOES NOT currently have that language. Perhaps it was 'mistakenly' included in a prior release, but that is NOT what was ratified this morning.

Congrats, indeed.

da42pilot 09-27-2018 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by push4dough (Post 2681904)
Get out of here with that junk.
Endeavor tops out at year 15. XJT is 20% longer!
DENIED

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Grow up. I never said we were equal to endeavor, just not that far off.

Out rates top out at year 18, endeavor at 15.... still a good difference, but not one that warrants your attitude.

Blackhawk 09-27-2018 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by DownInPetaluma (Post 2681907)
I'm not seeing this written anywhere at this time.

'We' voted in a TA that DOES NOT currently have that language. Perhaps it was 'mistakenly' included in a prior release, but that is NOT what was ratified this morning.

Congrats, indeed.

The language was also alluded to by the MEC as something that would not appear in the contract. Yes, it was mistakingly put in, them removed
No. I don’t trust management. But I do trust the MEC. There will be a melt down of epic proportions if it turns out not to be there.
Time will tell. Either something better is coming, or if not those who remain get paid more while this place winds down. You’re absolutely illogical in this. You think we are going to be wound down. What... in 3 years or so? Section 6 negotiations, if are are wound down, will take at least that long. Might as well get paid more in the process. Or if I offered you free money would you actually turn it down?


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