Management upset at bleeding??
 

I've heard rumors that management is upset at all the pilots leaving, especially the deal worked out with Kalitta. You know what? It doesn't matter how we got here. Our partners at Kalitta and other places are noticing. And we DO have a seat at the table with them.

It's not 2012 and this is not Comair. Pilots are not going to stay while you kick them around. Heck, even the "good news" about the -175s can't be handled correctly. Months after the TA was approved, nothing from UAL.
Putting together lines for 20-30 year veterans of this company commuting to 12 days off. With single days off between trips. Worth about 60 hours. Barf. Gee. If pilots don't have any days off and are commuting to ORD I wonder why they aren't picking up open time? Hmmm... let's ponder that one. Come on. Must be a reason. What is it??:rolleyes:

On many levels, too bad UAL didnt hire in 2017 like we have this year.

There’s no way they could have kept up with losing 15-18-20 CA’s a month just to the CPP. That would ALSO mean this year would have probably dipped into the FO’s in the CPP, further compounding the problem.

There's a solution that's been whispered for years, but you and I know it will never happen.

It’s been SHOUTED.

But agreed, not anytime soon, unfortunatley.

It will have to get to the point where it affects UAL labor's bottom line for something to change.

Time to throw more money at us in the form of a retention bonus that might actually retain people.

https://youtu.be/fiETw5a4qgw

IDK. Performance numbers have tanked. XJT is making G7 look good. That's not the way to win bigger airplanes.
I hope and pray things turn around quickly for those still there.

A lot of the good people are getting hired elsewhere. And maybe some good people were unjustly denied a position. But I have noticed it appears all we have left are the rejects and people who probably rode the short bus to school. Soon enough XJT will be just one big group of invalids.

I've seen enough "...rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, ****-kickers and Methodists..." get hired at majors that I try not to disparage those left behind. We even had Captain FOQA get hired by SWA. That was a sad day. You could always pimp FO's who had flown with him on what would be in AQP that year as the events were usually based upon something idiotic he did in an airplane. Like the LGA ILS 22 circle 13.

Obvious flame bait.

Yea I kinda exist here with a one-foot-out-the-door mentality. The latest email from JM seemed.....well, the tone was mixed. The MEC is still positive but they admit they're frustrated. Fleet manager position has been filled and the first group of instructors start training next week.

Aside from that.....I got nothing.

Where are the instructors training? Are they training on the SIM? Or, still just in Systems or Indoc?

It was not specified.

The blast mail sounded like the union was still optimistic that the 2 contingencies were still in place to happen.

With a statement like that you must be “With her” we are the deplorables or what?

In the words of the immortal Yogi Berra, "predictions are hard, especially about the future".

There's a book that can maybe can do some good here and help Folks put their life in perspective, entitled, "Man's Search for Meaning" by Viktor E. Frankl. You can probably pick up a copy at your local Library.

Excellent book. I read it this summer. Highly recommend it.

So now management has resorted to lying to employees about the number of XJT pilots returning from K4. Sad and pathetic.

Huh?

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Some in management have been spreading rumors that a large number of XJT pilots are returning from K4 in order to give the impression that it is not a good place to go and stem the bleeding. The number is about 3. Out of more than 100.

Ohhhhh. I haven't heard anything about that.

So what's the latest predictions for the next 10 or so weeks (until the end of January)? Nothing happens and we go back to section 6?

I predict that Xjet will be awarded at least 20 UAX Ejets in January as soon as the seasonal flying is over.

I concur. Probably 4:1 odds is my thought.
A purchase is maybe 50/50. The AAL flying is canceling early, first part of January. That may be a good thing.

Did anyone ever figure out who the instructors were that started preparing to teach the Ejet and where that training was going to take place?

Thanks for the chuckle Heddy! ......That's Hedley!!!

Yes. And yes. That part of the equation is actually happening.

That is why I think 20 Ejets will appear. SGU can make 20 Ejets happen with the flick of a reassignment agreement from SKW to XJT, even if the latest Ejets are not awarded to XJT by UAL. SGU has to do something to keep XJT from imploding.

Yep, I'm sure you have all the "inside" information as to what Skywest can do with the 175's. By the way, its 25 not 20!

The latest bid is for 25 - XJet’s TA is only for 20. SGU can transfer 20 Ejets to XJT from SKW without batting an eye given SKW struggles to staff ORD and SKW has so many Ejets on the way. And, that would meet the terms of your TA.

How do you think SGU drained Xjet of DTW, ATL, and DFW bases? The CPAs were up and SGU simply transferred the XJT flying to SKW. With XJT hemorraging, SGU had to do something to shore up XJT.

The planes won't be coming from SKW. Also, it looks like they will be split between ORD and IAH.

You clearly don't understand the TA 20 deal! And the planes are not coming from Skywest!

SkyWest only has 2 more Ejets to be delivered this year, and 3 deliveries are deferred until 2020 at Alaska's request. Do tell about this struggle to staff ORD?

They will come from Mesa.

Ah. So, they aren’t the 25 new Ejets after all?

Tell me precisely in the TA language where it has to be any specific Ejets....

Look at SkyWest largest, yet junior base. Reserves are no where near any western base.

Actually, reserves are pretty close to most western bases and even look on par with SLC. Plenty of days with full coverage too.

So, an FO can expect to be on reserve in ORD for a year before holding a composite line? My buddies at SkyWest in both LAX and SEA are having that experience. Enough about SkyWest. They are going to lose 175’s to United’s pilots soon enough.

Dude, I have no idea. And neither do you. Let’s wait and find out.

Let's all wait until first week of January and we will know FOR SURE! Once the last AA flight is completed everyone at XJT will know their future... :D;)