I think calmwinds needs APC rehab, maybe Passages Malibu for pilots. 2,000+ posts in 1.5 years. He's probably checking APC on the taxi in lol. "Gotta get my fix...gettin' the shakes"

Im not an Xjt pilot... i quit/retired just before Christmas, I am spending a few times per week on here to see how things will play out after the announcements and I am rooting for my Xjt guys 100% though as I put 12 yrs into that place. I am out of aviation and retired, oh yea i'm in my 30's

LOL!! Yea, you can't compare 2074 comments in 1.5yrs to about 100 in 2yrs! I am not married which means I am doing just fine in the "getting laid department" LOL

Hey! Uh.....I wanna get laid (hand raised in the air). Is......that a question on the Hogan?

Wait.. is it?

If you don't yet have your degree completed and one gets hired at XJT. Do you have to wait until you complete said degree to apply for the CPP? Or do you just need to have the degree before moving on to United?

No.
Yes.

You first get the Hogan. If you pass the Hogan, you get the interview. If you pass the interview, you are placed in a pool according to seniority. When your number comes up, United will review your stuff. If you don’t have the degree, they’ve been giving people a year to finish it. At the end of that year, you’re out if you haven’t finished it. You can start the process without a degree.

For a lot of guys, so it would seem, it takes almost 3 years from the hogan to the final review. Should have time to finish something at least.

There are online options that a motivated person can finish in well under that time. IMHO, there is no better motivator than a shot at a Legacy.

I'm gonna get my Bachelor online as soon as I'm done with training, wherever that is. What are those decent/fast options you're talking about?. Liberty or UVU for example?. I thought itd5take st least 3 years to complete it.

Thomas Edison and California Coast University are both good. They both will give you credit for your pilot certificates and ratings, as well as work experience.

California Coast University. Ya gotta go it. Roughly $10k and all self-paced.

Sure wish I had inside knowledge about these online degrees and potential employers not giving a crap where you graduated from before I dropped almost 200k lol.

Not all employers. Delta won’t look at you with an online degree, it seems.

Their problem to be honest. Not gonna pay 6x times more for a degree and try to make it to class for a tiny chance if getting hired at delta. Lots of good jobs out there

That’s a snooty position they take if that’s true.

Delta? Snooty?? Never..........

Having taken online courses at a great university and in person courses at the same one it’s night and day. I don’t know why an online only degree is considered at any of the majors. They’re a joke in comparison.

I think they can also tell between the "This is a tough, respected online program" versus "Give us $10k and we'll print you a bachelor's degree"

They're looking for a type of person. Are you someone who will take a shortcut just to check the box?

Be very wary of some of the above recommended schools. Look at accreditation, if they are a nationally accredited school that’s for profit it raises huge red flags. Nothing from a nationally accredited school will transfer it would be a horrible idea to have a degree from one of these schools as a back up plan. Find a school that’s regionally accredited and even better if it’s an online branch of a brick and mortar.

100% agreed, and thanks for posting.

Several have gone to UA with a California Coast degree.

Don’t fool yourselves, all they look for is checking a box.

I checked them out and apparently if you're a woman in aviation you don't pay out of state tuition, but if you're a man you do. So F that.

No doubt, UA doesn’t care what degree or how you got it. But like I said be very careful if you ever plan to use that degree for anything else in the future as there is a very good chance it’s not worth the paper it’s printed on. But it is a “4 year degree” so you can check that box for United

That certainly wasn’t true in 2016.

Source? I don't see that anywhere in their website.

Private universities usually don't differentiate between instate VS out of state

So if you pass the Hogan and pass the interview and wait 2 yrs for a final review your golden; chance 40% . I have met three really good work mates get turned down at the final review in the past two weeks. You want to talk about feeling burned; try waiting for the dream job 2 yrs then, Psych its all gone.

Without even asking around I've personally flown with 3 guys in the last 2 months that have had that same thing. I hate hearing this.

I don’t understand. Two years for a final review?

Agreed. And there's no reason given. One captain I flew with recently learned it was likely because he interviewed off the street after getting hired in the CPP, and it he didn't get hired OTS. So that apparently affected his final review. A second one I have is hearsay: an FO said at the interview that he'd likely take the first upgrade opportunity at Xjet. Shortly thereafter, his wife got pregnant and he decided to stay an FO to be with her and his new kid. That caused United to tell him to eff off in the final review.

And there's zero transparency to all of this.

The final review period is just a quarter (3 months.) The “2 years” is just an example accounting for a person successfully interviewing, and then waiting for their CPP seniority slot to come up for final review.

Ok. Thanks.

FWIW......almost every story I’ve heard about people getting burned “for no reason”.......had a reason. They either don’t want to admit it to people, or don’t want to admit it to themselves.

But YES, that must be awful feeling. I sure as hell was sweating bullets for the same exact reason.

What kind of things are holding these guys back?

False statement.

Nobody knows. You don’t know if they looked at the final paperwork or if bad information was sent to UA. Not saying anyone is/has/was sending bad info, but people make mistakes, and those mistakes can cost you millions in a long career.

Again, zero transparency.

Its been made pretty transparent, that some are good enough to represent United at the regional level but not at the major level. Doing the essentially same job, carrying the same passengers. 🙃

The only reason I heard from a guy that was turned down after essentially having the job for 24 months was that he refused an aircraft that was having pressurization issues coming out of Mexico. He felt the high terrain in the area was an unnecessary risk and didn't want to play games. Very safe and professional pilot. This happened about 2 months before the final review.

I'm no scientist but I can't think that sort of thing would promote a good culture.

Being "accepted" is NOT having the job.

The rather condescending letter one gets pretty much outlines that.

I don’t understand, United didn’t like the fact that he refused an aircraft in the name of safety? So they wanted him to shut up and fly?