The Hogan
 

I clicked join the CPP more than three weeks ago and still haven’t received a link for the test. Pretty sure the page said the link would be sent within two weeks.

What gives?

My message James Campbell #723

Yeah, there are guys that were eligible for the Hogan in May ‘18 that haven’t received the second shot yet. UA is taking their bittersweet time.

Almost as though they are draining the current pool, and have something different in mind once that’s done.

Hired March 2018. Still have not received the Hogan. XJT has no idea when United plans to start sending them out again if they do at all

Supposedly, UA is instituting a “new” interview format. You’ll simply get an interview date where you will take the hogan, some sort of knowledge test, and then the panel interview.

Why would they waste the time arranging an interview if you haven’t taken the hogan yet? Just seems like half the people they get will get sent home day one anyway, why not just take it online ahead of time? Saves time and disappointment for everyone.

They may be including a follow up to the Hogan. These types of tests were not intended to be "stand alone". Delta used them in the past but had a follow up with a psych. If you failed that psych eval you could never interview again. When I took a similar test for my Special Ops evaluation it was the same thing. The next day I had a follow up with a psych. It was obvious he was looking at my test results.

That’s what was said to me, directly from Susan White in HR. It will be a 3 part interview...Hogan, Aviation Knowledge Assesment, and then the panel. Each part will be “scored”.

Also, too many idiot pilots have bragged online about their wives or others taking the Hogan for them. Pretty stupid if you ask me.

Just what I heard from the head of recruiting.

Sounds pretty similar to the CommutAir CPP. They are probably trying to figure out a “catch up plan” to do this for all the ExpressJet pilots. Exciting times are ahead for you guys.

Not trying to doubt you at all, just wondering what the logic is. I guess if they made the hogan not a hard pass/fail but used it to craft the rest of the interview that makes more sense.

Your guess is as good as mine. I guess the logic is that the Hogan won’t be a disqualifier, more just part of a general “scoring” process.

The Hogan is dumb anyway. Lol.

So it is going from 2 parts to 3? Not really progress, but it would be a step up if the Hogan wasn't an end all filter.

Hogan still seems to be there. I was given the option to "opt in" on it.

Does CommutAir, Whisky, and Mesa have access to the same CPP survey we got from the UAL MEC on the latest Jet Link?

Whisky hasn’t gotten a survey as far as I’m aware. Maybe our MEC has it but the general population doesn’t.

Mesa hasn’t gotten it either.

Any thoughts?

https://www.hrlawmatters.com/2018/04...ality-testing/

https://www.hrsource.org/maimis/Memb..._Bad_Idea.aspx

https://www.fastcompany.com/40533339...sts-for-hiring

https://www.hacklerflynnlaw.com/are-...o-think-again/

For those XJT pilots... what are the requirements/qualifications for the United CPP? So there's the Hogan right? What flight time/years with XJT is required to apply for the program?

Sounds like the XJT United CPP is similar to Endeavor's DGI...right? Looking for answers in order to weigh my options.

There aren’t any required flight hours to apply and take the Hogan and interview.

For someone that passes, they are just required to have a bachelor’s degree and 3000 total (or 2000 TPIC) hours of service at ExpressJet before they can move on to United.

When is ExpressJet management going to move the hours down to CommutAir’s requirements in order to move on? Why are there two programs since these company’s are step-sisters?

PontiusPilot:

Thanks for the info. Already have the bachelors degree. For the TPIC I would imagine United would want 121 TPIC time or would military TPIC count toward that minimum?

Thanks again.

GB

It’s EXPRESSJET hours of service. Your previous time will not count towards the total.

I’m fairly certain that UAL dictates the terms. And the COMPANIES (plural of company) are not step-sisters. There seems to be a high likelihood of some sort of merge down the road, but for now the two aren’t associated with each other.

I define step-Sisters as those who have one parent that is the same. United owns over 49% of CommutAir and over 49% of ExpressJet. And, who owns the rest of ManaAir? A little research will show the rest of the ownership is also tightly entwined. (It isn’t like ExpressJet’s relationship to SkyWest, where SkyWest considered ExpressJet to be the ugly, estranged sibling.)

At CommutAir, a pilot must have flown either 1,000 hours as Pilot-in-Command -OR- 3,000 hours total in service to CommutAir. Since CommutAir is hiring street captains, a CommutAir pilot can go to United, theoretically, in just over a year after Captain IOE or just over 15 months after being hired there. Their record is just over two years from doh at CommutAir to doh at doh at United. Why would CommutAir’s pilots want to give that up in a merger of seniority lists?

Don’t know. Don’t care. Not really my problem. I’m fairly certain the pilots don’t get to decide how a merger goes down, but I’m sure you’ll be happy to enlighten me.

Not really, but you seem to think they are going to merge. In other airlines’ mergers, there have been votes by the pilot groups on how the seniority lists merge. But, these weren’t step sister airlines and I am sure the rules are different.

Smarter people than myself or you seem to think they are going to merge, and it does make sense. The dust is far from settling on the ASA-XJT merger, so adding another to the mix should ensure that EVERYBODY feels robbed of something they earned.

Like I said, they are step sisters and I am sure the rules are different from a normal merger. It is can be like, “merge or else” we will pick up our new flying.

It would speed upgrades at ExpressJet while giving CommutAir captains they are short of.

Ok. You’re right.

Translation : The easiest way to make you go away is just agree with you. Offering up a different viewpoint just results in you overstating yours again.

That is one way. I never disagreed with you completely. I just see obstacles in merging the pilots.

You could also respond with an explanation of how the merger is allowed in the pilot contracts or per ALPA rules. I just explore these things to a level of understanding. It isn’t to disagree.

If I was predicting, I would think the two regionals would be separated by base rather than a merger (because of the problems with merging a bunch of CommutAir one year seniority captains into Xjet’s seniority list). CommutAir just pulled a United management team member in as its new CEO.

We didn't vote on the seniority list merge.
Can anyone say when a list merge was voted on?

Calmwinds, you have absolutely no life... I guess all you do is fly and then come on APC and comment all day long and research every single airline contracts, listen to every conference call, then post on every other airline forum acting like a "know it all" Nobody likes those people! GET A LIFE!! FIND A HOBBY! GET LAID! LOL

That’s okay. I do research airline contracts, spend time in financial reports, and listen (or read transcripts) to conference calls that affect my job. These only come along quarterly (usually). It doesn’t take a lot of time. There really are only three companies I am concerned with.

I really am only paying attention to ExpressJet’s forum to the extent the actions of your regional affects my job. When ExpressJet stops affecting my job, you won’t find me posting here. ExpressJet pilots used to wander over to Mesa’s forums when our actions affected your jobs.

I don’t give a sh*t about AAL’s or DAL’s wholly owned regionals.

I do ask questions. For example, how in the world does ExpressJet with its seniority problems expect CommutAir with one year captains to want to merge seniority lists? ExpressJet pilots say it is going to happen.

So, guess what, if i **** you off, I might start posting here even more frequently. I could even write a script to post random messages here routinely just to **** you off more. It wouldn’t be hard.

Just imagine what he's like to fly with!

Im not ****ed off, im just telling you that you are a loser with no life!! Don't worry about sh** you cannot control! Just do your job and go home like everyone else does.... like i said YOU NEED A HOBBY OR GET LAID DUDE! LOL

Apparently, my hobby is ****ing off (or bugging) Xjet pilots on their form. I worry only about the **** I can’t control to know if I need to change to a different regional before I get my 1,000 TPIC in.

If we demand to be treated and compensated like the professionals we are, it helps if we act like it - both online and offline. Is this middle school?

Personally, I have no problem with calmwinds. His conclusions and assumptions are sometimes wrong, but he makes an attempt to knowledgeable about the industry and I’ve never seen him rant like a child.

For the sake of everyone else, a couple of you could really tone down the complaining.

Based on your comments, I'm not sure which one of you needs to get laid more.

^^Winner^^