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I was a victim of the above too. 17 years at XJT. Great company but got set back due to 9/11 and the economic downfall of 2008. The last setback was my getting the middle finger from the UA CPP by Bill Kennedy (they still have that schmuck FA running the show?).
So I sent out apps, never went to a job fair or joined any goofy pilot clubs, and got to UPS a few years ago. Never been happier. Point is, don’t plan on the CPP. What I tell perspective new pilots to the industry is to look at the regionals and see who has; quickest upgrade, best signing bonus, a flow thru (like PSA to AA in case you don’t get called by anyone else), and finally the QOL (pay, bases, etc.) then make an informed decision. Good luck. I loved XJT and still have many friends there. Some by choice and some ‘stuck’ as I was. Regardless, have fun and enjoy the ride. It sure was a blast! |
Originally Posted by Av8tor8710
(Post 2864465)
Sorry things haven’t turned out the way you were hoping. Maybe I’ll have the same experience, maybe not. I hope not and I hope your luck changes and you move to the left if you’re not there already or you move on to where you wan’t soon.
Something tells me, I’m not the first person to point all of this out to you. Actually, I highly doubt you’ve ever interacted with a person that has had more than 6-7 years of flying experience with XJT/ASA and would tell you “it’s a great time to be there”. |
“Point is, don’t plan on the CPP. What I tell perspective new pilots to the industry is to look at the regionals and see who has; quickest upgrade, best signing bonus, a flow thru (like PSA to AA in case you don’t get called by anyone else), and finally the QOL (pay, bases, etc.) then make an informed decision.“
Yes, Expressjet doesn’t really tick any of those boxes. Our contract is far from great compared to others now. (Zero duty rigs, min day pay of 2 hrs, no commuter hotels, etc.) Upgrade will not drop below 3.5 yrs for some time. All other carriers are 1.5 - 2 yrs. EWR is the junior base with uncommutable lines so 11 days off on reserve becomes 8. Oh yeah, that reminds me. I think we’re the only regional that still does 11 off for reservists. All others get 12 at least. For all you new hires that don’t understand the significance of 11 vs. 12 days off on reserve, you get to find out the hard way in a few months. The carriers that seem to have it figured out are Skywest, Republic, PSA, Endeavor, and Envoy with the new contract. None of United’s “exclusive” carriers come close. |
Originally Posted by FlyRight2876
(Post 2865060)
“Point is, don’t plan on the CPP. What I tell perspective new pilots to the industry is to look at the regionals and see who has; quickest upgrade, best signing bonus, a flow thru (like PSA to AA in case you don’t get called by anyone else), and finally the QOL (pay, bases, etc.) then make an informed decision.“
Yes, Expressjet doesn’t really tick any of those boxes. Our contract is far from great compared to others now. (Zero duty rigs, min day pay of 2 hrs, no commuter hotels, etc.) Upgrade will not drop below 3.5 yrs for some time. All other carriers are 1.5 - 2 yrs. EWR is the junior base with uncommutable lines so 11 days off on reserve becomes 8. Oh yeah, that reminds me. I think we’re the only regional that still does 11 off for reservists. All others get 12 at least. For all you new hires that don’t understand the significance of 11 vs. 12 days off on reserve, you get to find out the hard way in a few months. The carriers that seem to have it figured out are Skywest, Republic, PSA, Endeavor, and Envoy with the new contract. None of United’s “exclusive” carriers come close. |
Originally Posted by FlyRight2876
(Post 2865060)
“Point is, don’t plan on the CPP. What I tell perspective new pilots to the industry is to look at the regionals and see who has; quickest upgrade, best signing bonus, a flow thru (like PSA to AA in case you don’t get called by anyone else), and finally the QOL (pay, bases, etc.) then make an informed decision.“
Yes, Expressjet doesn’t really tick any of those boxes. Our contract is far from great compared to others now. (Zero duty rigs, min day pay of 2 hrs, no commuter hotels, etc.) Upgrade will not drop below 3.5 yrs for some time. All other carriers are 1.5 - 2 yrs. EWR is the junior base with uncommutable lines so 11 days off on reserve becomes 8. Oh yeah, that reminds me. I think we’re the only regional that still does 11 off for reservists. All others get 12 at least. For all you new hires that don’t understand the significance of 11 vs. 12 days off on reserve, you get to find out the hard way in a few months. The carriers that seem to have it figured out are Skywest, Republic, PSA, Endeavor, and Envoy with the new contract. None of United’s “exclusive” carriers come close. |
Upgrades will be bid by FOs senior to the ones who got the quickest upgrade on the last bid. There are a lot of FOs on the list who could hold captain but will not because it would mean commuting to years on reserve, given the current upgrade environment.
This means that upgrade times won't go down quite as quickly; metrics such as the number of FOs behind the juniormost captain and their dates of hire don't take into account hundreds of FOs (some hired in 2000) who can bid for upgrade. Right? |
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2865125)
You keep saying the upgrade won’t come down. Let’s do a ban bet whoever loses self-band themselves from posting on here for life. You willing to stick with 3.5 years or greater?
701EV;) |
Originally Posted by 701EV
(Post 2865165)
DSPS, just curious what your guess?
701EV;) |
Originally Posted by SpringLanding
(Post 2865152)
Upgrades will be bid by FOs senior to the ones who got the quickest upgrade on the last bid. There are a lot of FOs on the list who could hold captain but will not because it would mean commuting to years on reserve, given the current upgrade environment.
This means that upgrade times won't go down quite as quickly; metrics such as the number of FOs behind the juniormost captain and their dates of hire don't take into account hundreds of FOs (some hired in 2000) who can bid for upgrade. Right? |
Originally Posted by FlyRight2876
(Post 2865196)
Bingo! Looking at DOH on an upgraded F./O doesn't mean much here. Other places with continuous upgrades and movement yes. Movement hasn't really come to this place yet. Maybe by Expressjet standards but not by the other 99% of the industry.
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