No Commuter Hotels, No Duty-Rigs, 2HR Min Day
08-30-2019, 08:32 AM
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No Commuter Hotels, No Duty-Rigs, 2HR Min Day
Yep, we are pretty much the only regional with no Duty-Rigs, Commuter Hotels and our Min Day Pay is 2 hrs on a working day. 3 hrs if you sit in a hotel on a long overnight?!?
These are all Industry-Standard work rules by this point. We signed a contract in haste for the company and United to get the Emb-175's on property in record time and both sides agreed to come back to the table to hash out work rules in Letter 2 of the agreement.
United and Subodh have shirked their duties in this regard and refuse to negotiate. Subodh recently tried to tell some pilots in our EWR crew room that nothing has been brought to him by the union. A sad attempt to change the topic.
"24 August 2019
It has come to our attention that ExpressJet CEO Subodh Karnik recently told a group of pilots in the EWR crew room that the Letter 2 has not been discussed because the Association has not brought anything to the company. This couldn't be further from the truth, and is Subodh's futile attempt to shift the blame from the real reason: management has been unwilling to negotiate in good faith after your MEC Negotiating Committee submitted numerous requests to meet and provided management negotiators a list of items to discuss. It is sad to think that our CEO either doesn't know or refuses to acknowledge the truth about Letter 2. However, we are working to ensure that our major partner is aware of our pilot group's concerns regarding Letter 2 and the overall health of our operation. Continue to read our MEC Updates if you want the facts about Letter 2 Negotiations."
Duty-Rigs and min day pay are pivotal work rules. Without Duty-Rigs you can work a 12 hr or more duty day and get paid as little as 2 hrs! You are paid for flight time, not duty time. Most airlines have a 2:1 duty rig. In the case of a 12hr duty day you would be paid for 6 hrs in this case.
Min-day Pay is the minimum pay you get for coming to work. Most places offer around 3.75 hrs. This gives them incentive to build efficient pairings as to pay you what you work. Currently, we are at only 2 hrs for min day pay. Oddly, our contract pays us 3 hrs to not work on a long overnight at the hotel.
Commuter Hotels are currently not provided by the company. Something that almost all regionals provide for their pilots at this point. Commutair, also a United owned feeder provides 4 paid commuter hotels per month for their employees.
These work rules are very important to all pilots of varying seniority. They are especially important to new hires and junior pilots where the trips are less commutable (Commuter hotels), less efficient (Min Day Pay) and have long duty days with long sits (Duty-Rigs).
Expressjet was once known to have one of the best contracts out there. That contract was written in 2004 and is basically the same as it is today. The rest of the industry as since moved on in order to attract quality applicants and has left us behind.
These are all Industry-Standard work rules by this point. We signed a contract in haste for the company and United to get the Emb-175's on property in record time and both sides agreed to come back to the table to hash out work rules in Letter 2 of the agreement.
United and Subodh have shirked their duties in this regard and refuse to negotiate. Subodh recently tried to tell some pilots in our EWR crew room that nothing has been brought to him by the union. A sad attempt to change the topic.
"24 August 2019
It has come to our attention that ExpressJet CEO Subodh Karnik recently told a group of pilots in the EWR crew room that the Letter 2 has not been discussed because the Association has not brought anything to the company. This couldn't be further from the truth, and is Subodh's futile attempt to shift the blame from the real reason: management has been unwilling to negotiate in good faith after your MEC Negotiating Committee submitted numerous requests to meet and provided management negotiators a list of items to discuss. It is sad to think that our CEO either doesn't know or refuses to acknowledge the truth about Letter 2. However, we are working to ensure that our major partner is aware of our pilot group's concerns regarding Letter 2 and the overall health of our operation. Continue to read our MEC Updates if you want the facts about Letter 2 Negotiations."
Duty-Rigs and min day pay are pivotal work rules. Without Duty-Rigs you can work a 12 hr or more duty day and get paid as little as 2 hrs! You are paid for flight time, not duty time. Most airlines have a 2:1 duty rig. In the case of a 12hr duty day you would be paid for 6 hrs in this case.
Min-day Pay is the minimum pay you get for coming to work. Most places offer around 3.75 hrs. This gives them incentive to build efficient pairings as to pay you what you work. Currently, we are at only 2 hrs for min day pay. Oddly, our contract pays us 3 hrs to not work on a long overnight at the hotel.
Commuter Hotels are currently not provided by the company. Something that almost all regionals provide for their pilots at this point. Commutair, also a United owned feeder provides 4 paid commuter hotels per month for their employees.
These work rules are very important to all pilots of varying seniority. They are especially important to new hires and junior pilots where the trips are less commutable (Commuter hotels), less efficient (Min Day Pay) and have long duty days with long sits (Duty-Rigs).
Expressjet was once known to have one of the best contracts out there. That contract was written in 2004 and is basically the same as it is today. The rest of the industry as since moved on in order to attract quality applicants and has left us behind.
Last edited by SureJetz; 08-30-2019 at 09:03 AM.
08-30-2019, 08:44 AM
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Having a low min day pay sucks in some ways, but it helps the company build more commutable trips.... trips with late starts and early finishes. It helps them because late starts/early finishes means you don’t work for half the day but it also won’t cost the company a ton of money for creating these schedules.
So for commuters, there are schedule pros to having low min day pay.
So for commuters, there are schedule pros to having low min day pay.
08-30-2019, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by da42pilot
Having a low min day pay sucks in some ways, but it helps the company build more commutable trips.... trips with late starts and early finishes. It helps them because late starts/early finishes means you don’t work for half the day but it also won’t cost the company a ton of money for creating these schedules.
So for commuters, there are schedule pros to having low min day pay.
So for commuters, there are schedule pros to having low min day pay.
08-30-2019, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Lebron
What is the point of posting these threads, there is literally no point of regurgitating this info?
08-30-2019, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by SureJetz
"The Deal's Not Done" is not descriptive enough. This highlights the crux of the issue. We are without simple things like duty-rigs and the company refuses to negotiate it when they said they would.
08-30-2019, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Lebron
Everyone in the company knows that info. You must be targeting recruits.
We need new hires to GROW this place, we're currently shrinking. I think this could be a great place if our owners wish to make it so.
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