C5 Mgt Won’t hire XJT?
 

Is this true?

I don’t know. Where are you hearing this

Union email
Although CommutAir seems to be planning quick growth of both aircraft and bases, and we are working with their MEC to provide our pilots some sort of leg up at their airline, it is our understanding that their management team is against any direct help to our pilot group at this time.

oh yeah, dunno how I missed that
https://i.imgur.com/a6cPf32.png

"Management Team is against any direct help" means, at face value, that they don't want to establish any sort of flow, preferential interview, etc.

Doesn't specifically state that they don't want to hire EV alumni. There would actually be no legit business reason (and thus liability exposure) to specifically exclude EV people, especially since they have very relevant type experience (as well as "United Express Experience", which as you may recall has been used as a regional hiring criteria in the past).

Time will tell how they really feel.

My guess would be they are against incentives or guarantees. They (rightfully) realize it's a buyer's market for pilots and they have no intention of paying a dime more than what is in the current contract. They have indicated they wish to hire the most qualified applicants they can. Certainly typed and current pilots meet that standard.

They are wary (rightfully again) of having bitter pilots sabotaging the operation. The hardest thing is going to be eating this crap sandwich and still being a team player. I'm not sure I could do it so I won't be sanctimonious about it.

If you interview try your best to be cheerful, appreciative and don't reveal a sense of entitlement. That will give you the best chance.

Also there might be problems with different pay scales

Not true. The company isn't going to just staple everyone to the bottom of the list or hire everyone from XJT that applies either.

The FOs are about to take a pretty significant pay cut and the union doesn't have any leverage to stop it. Giving new hires any sort of incentive pay in that environment is only going to exacerbate discontent.

"Direct help" sounds like preferential treatment. Management isn't against hiring XJT pilots. My understanding is C5 is giving UAL and UAX pilots preferential interviews but that's it.

Go work for a respectable company. Lowe’s, Home Depot, heck, Chick-Fil-A....respectable? C5 ain’t it.

Totally agree! Several of our folks went there over the past several years. Some like it and are happy but most that I've spoken to say the training department is terrible, lousy folks running the company and many felt that they were lied to by those in their recruiting department. Hold out and jobs at more respectable regionals/lcc's will open up in due time.

Just so you are aware, “due time” is going to be 3-5 years. Absolutely no one is going to be hiring for a very long time in the 121 world.

That's why I agree with Pucks post above!

By "direct help", they mean any sort of staple or seniority list integration. Why? Because that would most likely be facilitated by ALPA and those that it would help most are the very pilots they don't want in their ranks. Not all, but most of these guys/gals did nothing but complain about having to fly the 145 after they lost the CRJ flying for Delta, then United, and finally the 175 flying for EV. C5 is a relatively junior airline and most of the people they are likely trying to keep out have tons of experience at the regional level, but bring along terrible attitudes and many will continue complaining no matter where they go. Who at C5 wants to listen to stories about how much better the CRJ is or how much better their old contract was, every day, on every leg of a four day trip?

C5 guy here.

Our current MOU prohibits the company from providing any hiring incentives (bonuses) to all new hires effective October 1. That is not a slam to EV pilots...like tallpilot said it's a reflection of the new reality.

There are rumors of a hiring priority. Haven't seen it in print but it seems appropriate. ExpressJet, TSA and other 145 typed pilots are naturally at the top of that list, followed by other UAX carriers and aviate participants. So the opportunity is yours to lose.

That said, there are also rumors that EV pilots already here are likely to help HR weed out the troublemakers, so if that aptly describes you, I wouldn't expect a call back.

Personally, if you can tolerate the crummy pay and work rules like everyone else over at C5, I encourage you to apply. If, however, you're going to suggest stocking the plumbing aisle at the Depot is more respectful than working for us or you're just going to put on a smiley face for the interview and then spend every trip moaning about your situation, please stay away. I enjoy my job precisely because the people are great, and the last thing I want to do is go to work with a bunch of complainers.

Most of our BITTER pilots come from the CRJ side of ASA

You mean the senior guys, not all of them.

Let me fix that for you: Most of your pilots who THINK they are better come from the ASA/CRJ side. They are also the ones who complain the most!

you mean like this guy/gal?

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Your reading comprehension SUCKS! BITTER was the word....not BETTER. And the guy who made the snarky 145 comment is clearly not an ASA guy.

CLEARLY......your right

his right what? Arm? Leg? Finish your sentence. You’re making no sense.

what are you trying to say here??

i was affirming that guys post about not being an original crj guy

CLEARLY im not a crj guy

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Wow! Not gonna GIVE you anything.

If there EVER was a case for a national seniority list, this and the COMPASS/TSA debacle is it.

wouldn't be GIVING me a dam thing, I'd ratherTAKE it.

Or all those years and all that experience means NOTHING.

Every other unionized trade electricians, plumbers, steamfitters... their longevity follows them. Not so much seniority as everybody is working 7-3 anyway and there's not any benefit to seniority. But the lack of a national list for longevity and experience is an epic failure by ALPA. We should start a Call To Action to the ALPA higher-ups.

The problem with a master list for all USA pilots (which I think is what's suggested) is that if your company goes bust, will another company hire you and pay you at the seniority you had previously? I doubt it.

I can imagine airline apps have a "national seniority number" box. The junior guys may get jobs at other carriers but high seniority people will either be ignored or only hired in extreme circumstances.

Another way to look at a national seniority list. If another airline failed, would others want those pilots coming to their airline in seniority order and bumping them down? As an example, would other regionals like it if the very senior pilots from XJT went to their company and took the senior slots? I doubt it. We all like to talk about industry unity until it affects us in a bad way, then all bets are off. A national seniority list is good from the prospective of people working for a failing company, it’s bad for the rest.

The national seniority list thing is amusing to talk about, and has been talked about for as long as I've been around. And it's something that will never happen.

The idea of a 'national seniority list' (which is a misnomer since trade unions are almost all confined to the state level or smaller) works fairly well with a relatively homogeneous labor pool working on a job site for a specified period of time. Go do an install for new construction for a few weeks, then go do a repair somewhere else, then go do a remodel. That doesn't translate well to 121 rules. We'd all be doing indoc every few years.

It is heartbreaking to start over but much of that can be fixed by reducing the extreme disparity between the bottom and the top. It is only the Ponzi scheme nature of the system that causes so much heartburn.

The current situation should help. Captains who thought they had a safe seat might want to vote for higher FO pay now. Pilots who thought they would never see reserve again might want to vote for better reserve work rules now. Reducing the huge differences between aircraft types would have the side benefit of reducing the ridiculous number of training events displacements cause.

I don’t think a national list would work, but pay programs that allow for some higher pay based on experience should be at all carriers. OO will pay up to 10 years of prior experience

Is OO still offering that in the current environment? Doubtful.

OO is not hiring at the moment so in that sense you are correct. But i do know that the people that are on property are still getting their pay based on prior experience. And once OO starts hiring again i would expect for the Soft Landings to resume again.

This specifically screws over expressjet pilots who have already been hired at united through the United Aviate program. Since XJT is going out of business, these pilots will need to get their 1,000 hours or whatever is required at another United Express carrier. Making it harder for these guys and gals to get hired at Commutair is limiting their ability to do so.

I wouldn’t believe for a second that C5 is avoiding XJT people. I’m sure a 145 type is a positive thing for being hired. Attitude at the interview will make all the difference.

This is how misinformation gets spread. Please try to do a little research before making a factually incorrect post. From the CommutAir forum:

"Current plan is for 36 new hire FOs and a net of 72 pilot positions by end of the year. 8 former C5ers have already been interviewed or otherwise expressed an interest in returning under LOA 3 and these internal interviews are ongoing. External pilot interviews will begin mid-September. Former C5ers, TSA, ExpressJet, or other UAX carrier pilots with a 145 type will be hired preferentially."

Nobody is making it harder for anyone to get hired at CommutAir. Actually, the hiring process at CommutAir is anything but "hard". Please stop with the nonsense that you posted.

Not just at the interview. ;)

For some, it is already too late. For others, they get an advantage.

This is equivalent to this:
Your neighbor divorces his wife and leaves her with nothing. And in order to prevent her kids from starving, you are now forced to marry her and take in all her 5 kids. Doesn’t get anymore socialist then that. 😂

Is she hot?