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Outof410 01-08-2021 03:46 PM

Express jet reboot?
 
https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/expr...2021-relaunch/

Minepza 01-08-2021 04:43 PM

It will be tough, Via air, or Contour have tried it. Unless they give away seats indefinitely I don’t see how it will be successful during these times. I think those secondary markets or under serviced cities are most likely in areas where there’s not a whole lot of disposable income anyways especially now.

captive apple 01-08-2021 04:45 PM

Does United have a say?

pangolin 01-08-2021 05:11 PM

Did they furlough or terminate? At this point it matters.

Wtaps 01-08-2021 05:12 PM

Furloughed

rickair7777 01-08-2021 05:13 PM

The Revenge of Surejet!

ClappedOut145 01-08-2021 06:19 PM

Serious question, what assets does XJT actually own as far as aircraft, rotable parts, etc.? Was the certificate surrendered when they closed? If not, then would they not be in the same situation where they have a very senior pilot group who is paid at the top of the scale?

StopBeingWhimps 01-08-2021 06:38 PM

Im curious to know who the financial backers are for this one... XJT has nothing, so there must be some decent financial backers involved if this is really going to happen.

Puck Hawg 01-08-2021 08:24 PM

It’s Denver F/O! He must’ve sold his castle and maybe one of his Lamborghini’s and is getting back into the regional world!

Meep 01-08-2021 09:21 PM

I can’t imagine this ever getting off the ground. Senior pilots in startup with a questionable business model.....what could go wrong.

DarkSideMoon 01-08-2021 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by Meep (Post 3179266)
I can’t imagine this ever getting off the ground. Senior pilots in startup with a questionable business model.....what could go wrong.

Yeah. I mean, if this was a viable option (50 seat jets in small markets), wouldn’t the big 3 just use some of their currently massively underutilized lift on it?

Wtaps 01-08-2021 11:54 PM


Originally Posted by Meep (Post 3179266)
I can’t imagine this ever getting off the ground. Senior pilots in startup with a questionable business model.....what could go wrong.

A portion of the senior pilots either retired or hired elsewhere. They can make Pilot/FA sign a cheaper contract in order to get recalled. Not sure what role ALPA plays in this scenario but rn management has all the chips.


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3179229)
Serious question, what assets does XJT actually own as far as aircraft, rotable parts, etc.? Was the certificate surrendered when they closed? If not, then would they not be in the same situation where they have a very senior pilot group who is paid at the top of the scale?

”our employees are our most valuable asset!” And we have a stock pile of surface 3s...

Wtaps 01-09-2021 12:03 AM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 3179270)
Yeah. I mean, if this was a viable option (50 seat jets in small markets), wouldn’t the big 3 just use some of their currently massively underutilized lift on it?

Reconfigure and do what JSX is doing. XJT can go international as well so there might be a niche market for it. Flying XJT’s tail and selling own tickets, also codeshare with a mainline instead of doing FFD exclusively.

Probably too good to be true but the 145 might be great for that.

Av8rPHX 01-09-2021 12:06 AM

Does XJT even have any birds on property? I thought all the 45s went to Commute Air


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calico 01-09-2021 02:15 AM

Id love to go back to work but this just seems like a cruel joke.

Hedley 01-09-2021 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by Av8rPHX (Post 3179281)
Does XJT even have any birds on property? I thought all the 45s went to Commute Air


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I thought that all of the aircraft that XJT flew belonged to United regardless of where they are currently parked. This idea sounds a lot like Independence Air, and we remember how that worked out.

PeakEGT 01-09-2021 05:41 AM

With the start of Xtra and Breeze which seems to pursue the same business model, wouldn't it of been more cost effective for them to purchase our certificates?

Hedley 01-09-2021 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by PeakEGT (Post 3179321)
With the start of Xtra and Breeze which seems to pursue the same business model, wouldn't it of been more cost effective for them to purchase our certificates?

I don’t recall the details, but wasn’t there some type of contractual requirement to take employees if the certificate was purchased? If that is the case, in a market flooded with experienced pilots, why would a start up want to have labor forced on them when they can be selective in who they hire?

Meep 01-09-2021 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3179327)
I don’t recall the details, but wasn’t there some type of contractual requirement to take employees if the certificate was purchased? If that is the case, in a market flooded with experienced pilots, why would a start up want to have labor forced on them when they can be selective in who they hire?

Pretty sure this is why Breeze couldn’t buy Compass’s certificate. Wish XJet pilots the best, but doubt this is the answer.

Grumpyaviator 01-09-2021 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3179327)
I don’t recall the details, but wasn’t there some type of contractual requirement to take employees if the certificate was purchased? If that is the case, in a market flooded with experienced pilots, why would a start up want to have labor forced on them when they can be selective in who they hire?

Its a fragmentation clause and was gutted by the company and ALPA with the TPA between ASA and XJT. If it weren’t for that, many ASA pilots would be at SKYW now.

ReadOnly7 01-09-2021 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by Puck Hawg (Post 3179259)
It’s Denver F/O! He must’ve sold his castle and maybe one of his Lamborghini’s and is getting back into the regional world!

His amateur orchiectomy business didn’t go so well.....

Margaritaville 01-09-2021 12:56 PM

Doesn't united own 49% and control the other 51% through a shell company? What jets will they use? Didn't they already try this with their "branded" flying years ago in the Aquafresh planes? How is this going to work?

When whoever came up with this one sobers up, they're going to wonder WTH they were thinking. This ain't Herb and Rollin drawing triangles on a napkin at the bar. This is more like Peter, Samir, and Michael Bolton dancing alone in a little apartment in Las Colinas after stealing millions of fractions of pennies.

Av8rPHX 01-09-2021 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3179459)
This is more like Peter, Samir, and Michael Bolton dancing alone in a little apartment in Las Colinas after stealing millions of fractions of pennies.


Wait a Minute professor....we “fixed the glitch”



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trip 01-09-2021 05:21 PM

From what I remember it was on the earnings call. U had yet to pay Skywest for Xjet and it was to be completed in qtr 1 with some airplanes being transferred in lieu?? These may be in play.
Then again I might have been dozing off by that time in the call.

Rodviyr 01-09-2021 06:39 PM

I still have my Surface. When can I start?

Spoiler 01-10-2021 10:26 AM

In order for a ticket to be viable if I recall - doesn’t at least one AC have to be maintained in flying condition together with a defined mtx program etc??

falconkidding 01-10-2021 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by Spoiler (Post 3179769)
In order for a ticket to be viable if I recall - doesn’t at least one AC have to be maintained in flying condition together with a defined mtx program etc??

Yep per subodh (sp) the "aircraft on lease are to protect the value of the certificate"

tothebigblue 01-12-2021 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by falconkidding (Post 3179808)
Yep per subodh (sp) the "aircraft on lease are to protect the value of the certificate"

Yeah someone read the company website and took it out of context, move on, nothing to see here. XJT is dead.

Magic8Ball 02-12-2021 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by tothebigblue (Post 3180565)
Yeah someone read the company website and took it out of context, move on, nothing to see here. XJT is dead.

Someone read an exact quote...off the company website, and took that "out of context".

I'm not sure you know what that means.

amcnd 02-12-2021 11:48 AM

Maybe OO took back the ops certificate.. all XJT manuals randomly showed up on OO EFB’s yesterday...

Redheadtexas 02-12-2021 05:43 PM

Source???????

amcnd 02-12-2021 06:12 PM

I took snap shots of it. But now way I'm
posting that. They have been pulled off now. I know others had it. 5-6 friends text to tell me. So i checked. Sure enough their they were..

Flydafe 02-13-2021 06:01 AM

That was probably the way they decided to settle the unpaid debt of the sale

Margaritaville 02-13-2021 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 3194347)
Maybe OO took back the ops certificate.. all XJT manuals randomly showed up on OO EFB’s yesterday...

Well at least they can finally say they worked at "mainline".

captive apple 02-13-2021 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3194667)
Well at least they can finally say they worked at "mainline".

acquired and not hired

prt135 02-26-2021 05:31 PM

Anyone have details on the recent email that said Aviate participants who were former XJT pilots can work at any 121 carrier or 135 company to fulfill their hour requirements to transition to United? Does it apply to those who had a CJO at XJT and are in Aviate?

climb150 02-27-2021 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by prt135 (Post 3200054)
Anyone have details on the recent email that said Aviate participants who were former XJT pilots can work at any 121 carrier or 135 company to fulfill their hour requirements to transition to United? Does it apply to those who had a CJO at XJT and are in Aviate?

If you never started at Expressjet, how can you be in aviate?

moonraker9 02-27-2021 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by climb150 (Post 3200181)
If you never started at Expressjet, how can you be in aviate?

I believe you can join through certain universities / flight schools.

prt135 02-27-2021 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by climb150 (Post 3200181)
If you never started at Expressjet, how can you be in aviate?

If you were within six months of starting at one of the Aviate regionals you were able to interview for Aviate.

Redheadtexas 04-18-2021 04:44 PM

https://www.flightglobal.com/strategy/us-regional-carrier-expressjet-plans-comeback/143332.article


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