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SuperPilotJesse 01-24-2012 01:48 PM

Nope. Based in DTW. Don't get to go to any of those cities... And I haven't had a MSP overnight in a LONG time.

JoeMerchant 01-24-2012 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by unit monster (Post 1121738)
Hi GoAround -

Why have you not responded to my PM from a few weeks ago? Or responded within a thread after I posed the question twice.

"Where was it that you witnessed the ASA MEC walk out of some kind of joint meeting?"

I don't know where goaround got his information, but I have had it confirmed by two separate members of the ASA MEC...It got quite ugly....

This isn't unusual really...The CAL and UAL MECs are starting to air their dirty laundry in public...How about USAIR/AWA or AirTran/SWA?

Why do you find it surprising? or Why are you trying to make it go away?

JustAMushroom 01-24-2012 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by goaround2000 (Post 1121952)
Really? You're going to base your decision to improve your life on anonymous posts? You guys are really institutionalized. Consider this:

Because you don't have a legal bargaining entity representing you or a contract, you guys have subpar medical benefits, no legal recourse on pay or work rule violations, no punitive protection from incidents or accidents (only certificate), forget the list, get with the times first, get a union any union. We talk when you guys get your house in order.

You must be a new hire.. Or you're one of those spiky hair entitled sky gods, or both. You know very little, yet you speak as if you do. Like someone posted earlier, you don't know what you don't know.

It seems to me, and most other observers of this business, that your house was the one that was not in order and it was the company you mock that has wiped up your mess. Instead of being thankful, you bite the hand that helps you. XJT was not going to be around much longer and no serious person can say otherwise with a strait face.

When there is a payroll conflict at SW, most of the guys pick up the phone and talk with payroll. Simple. Efficient. If you can't reach an agreement, a form is filled out and the reps take it to the next step to get resolution.

Now I'm not pretending there aren't issues at SW, particularly in the disciplining arena. But, there are dozens and dozens of policies that have been negotiated quickly and efficiently to the mutual benefit of both the company and the pilots. .

To the original question, one list, one independent union, limited fences for a year or so.

unit monster 01-24-2012 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 1122066)
I don't know where goaround got his information, but I have had it confirmed by two separate members of the ASA MEC...It got quite ugly....

This isn't unusual really...The CAL and UAL MECs are starting to air their dirty laundry in public...How about USAIR/AWA or AirTran/SWA?

Why do you find it surprising? or Why are you trying to make it go away?

I wouldn't find this surprising by any means and I have no reason to care if it goes away.

GoAround threw that little tidbit out there and then chose not to address it. I questioned his credibility because he chose to ignore my requests for details multiple times.

Unfortunately I feel like I'm on my own side in all of this, which isn't good for any of us.

xjtguy 01-24-2012 11:23 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1121624)
That's fairly inflammatory. This kind of discussion is one of the reasons it's so hard to GET a union at SKW...it alienates people.

Pot, meet kettle. When you posted this in another thread;


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1119178)
PBS is coming whether you like it or not. Instead of thumping your chest like a monkey about it, better start thinking how to preserve an equivalent amount of vacation with PBS.

Not only was it inflammatory, it was flat out ignorant.

When you do that, it makes it hard to see things the way SKW people do and kind of alienates people :rolleyes:

Paid2fly 01-25-2012 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by xjtguy (Post 1122350)
Pot, meet kettle. When you posted this in another thread;



Not only was it inflammatory, it was flat out ignorant.

When you do that, it makes it hard to see things the way SKW people do and kind of alienates people :rolleyes:






Don't assume one junior guy represents every crewmember in this company!:rolleyes:

CW McCall 01-26-2012 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 1121563)
One list. If we have a union, it needs to be independent. Couldn't care less about the fences either way.

I care about fences. I chose to work at SkyWest because I wanted to live out west. I have no interest in "one list" if there is no provision for domicile protection. Last thing I want is sell my house and move.

Nevets 01-26-2012 10:58 PM

If you want one list, then the ASA/XJT will have to make the legal case to the NMB. Otherwise, the only other way is for Skywest pilots to unionize. Then there might be a possibility. Until then, its moot since JA seems to always use the "my pilots don't want a union" card.

By the way, not having fences does NOT mean that you will be displaced. There has to be a vacancy for a pilot to bid into any aircraft, base, and seat. That is your base (and aircraft and seat) protection. You cannot be forced out of your base, aircraft, or seat. People need to educate themselves a little before saying things that are not true.

XJT Pilot 01-27-2012 02:31 AM

Im gona move to Utah and make beer and sell it to you guys. Hey, do you guys drink beer?

This is a waste of time this thread just like me trying to sell you guys beer.

You guy need to forget SW and focus on our contract.

Low Flyin 01-27-2012 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by JustAMushroom (Post 1122069)
It seems to me, and most other observers of this business, that your house was the one that was not in order and it was the company you mock that has wiped up your mess. Instead of being thankful, you bite the hand that helps you. XJT was not going to be around much longer and no serious person can say otherwise with a strait face.

Exactly...


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