Originally Posted by 404yxl (Post 1827694)

"They never had to" as in they didn't have to.

Voting in to concessions led to massive attrition and the parking of their 50 seat airplanes that was going to happen regardless. The $20,000 annual bonus for all pilots was a result of Delta's inability to replace the Endeavor pilots.

Understanding the leverage the regional pilots now have is a good start for everyone facing this dilemma.

You're welcome to vote in concessions and help INC out if you choose. Only will lead to increased attrition and faster parking of your 50 seat fleets. Or you can keep your current pay and ask for better, while making INC go to mainline for solutions, such as more money to attract candidates and retain their current pilots.

Originally Posted by 404yxl (Post 1827591)

Exactly. The flying won't be staffed elsewhere unless ASA and XJT pilots go there to help out and those other airlines park airplanes.

Originally Posted by RamenNoodles (Post 1827703)

This is exactly what is happening at a very rapid pace. ASA and XJT FO's are leaving in droves for the other regionals. I've flown with several in the last few months that are going to PSA, TSA, Endeavor, Compass...you name it.

Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1827707)

Like I said earlier, there is leverage. How much is yet to be determined. But the fact that our management is no longer asking for concessions and in fact has been giving us things for free and joined several other regionals in their bonus and referral incentives, along with even commutair getting their last LOA is real proof that there is leverage.

Originally Posted by 404yxl (Post 1827723)

Good for them. The early ones made a calculated decision, but if they haven't gone already, they have already missed the boat. The only upgrades they will get will be due to bypassing pilots, which means lengthy reserve as a captain.

There is no way ASA and XJT pilots will be replaced unless mainline parks all those airplanes and shifts it to mainline and those pilots replace themselves elsewhere. That last part only has limited effect, due to diminishing returns in doing so.

Go ahead and vote in concessions. You will only further increase the attrition and parking of your 50 seat fleets.






The leverage is huge. We haven't even released any of the flow pilots this year and Compass is already struggling to keep up. We are only adding 20 aircraft too. A large percent of our new hires are coming from other 121 carriers. That pool is already tapering off.

Originally Posted by 404yxl (Post 1827606)

Nope. You can be part of the pilot groups willling to work for less, or be part of those that refuse to and wait for the pay increases or overall regional-mainline shift to come. Your call.



Endeavor.

I guess receiving a $20,000 pay increase, for each payscale, for the next four doesn't compute with you. They never had to vote in concessions, but the act of giving them all $20,000/year increase in salary is very indicative of leverage.

Originally Posted by Kilroy (Post 1204363)

Word on the street is there will be a TA by summers end. The SLI will somewhat favor the ASA side. It is also being said that do not be to surprised if Delta comes in and buys some of the pilot group if not all. With Delta's lightning speed contract TA, and what looks like the same with Expressjet, makes one wounder why the rush. let's just say there is something in the works. Can't say much for the other regionals, but it appears that this Delta TA will benefit the new Expressjet, more than any other regional, for the better. Things are definitely looking good as time goes forward.

Originally Posted by yimke (Post 1829899)

Man, how many times have I heard this. Delta is not interested in us. End of story. They hire who they want and when, to benefit THEIR company. At most, we will get a SSP.