Originally Posted by DCAJRMAN (Post 1557922)

Anybody know these guys? We were headed right for takeoff at EWR this morning with frost all over the wings. Other jets getting deiced at the gate. We just pushback and go!
Full of pax with a FA jumpseating in the back.
Can't believe it as we approach the runway she and I are freaking out. I am in the last row seat 24A so I grab the intercom and ask if they planned on deicing.
We then slow down and sit for awhile. Another 360 and we taxi around awhile then find a place for a deice truck to come spray the wings.
No PA ever made.

Comments?

Originally Posted by Aviator89 (Post 1558076)

Are we talking about frost like what you get after fueling? Or is this "frost" small amounts of ice and snow?
Frost from recent fueling wont be an issue, but if they were sitting there with snow/ice actually on the top of the wings my comment below may be appropriate. However, if its really, really cold most fresh snow will blow off at just a few knots. But if its wet(er) snow, then it may stick.

As a pilot, or flight attendant or knowledgeable passenger, someone should have said something. USair 405 and Air Ontario 1363 crashed for the same reasons. Snow and ice accumulation after incorrect or lack of deicing procedures. A few of the passengers noticed the wing contamination but failed to say anything. One was a captain from another airline but he didnt want to upset the flying crew. Could have saved alot of lives if he nutted up and said something... At least make sure the FA tells the captain there is a safety issue brought up by a passenger.

Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1558134)

Exactly. Hit the call button, and ask the working FA to call the flight deck and tell them you noticed some ice on the wing. That will get their attention everytime and unless they are stupid, they will get a deice. I've seen it plenty of times where you preflight and no frost. Then as the sun comes up the temperature dips and frost everywhere. You don't know the condition of the airplane when it was preflighted. Kudos to the crew for turning around and deicing once the frost was brought to their attention.

Originally Posted by thevagabond (Post 1558135)

I think it would be a good idea if APC actually required our real names to be used and to verify who we all are. It would greatly improve civility and manners here.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1558149)

every airline would have a manager pulling "APC Monitoring Duty" 24/7.

Originally Posted by DirectTo (Post 1558116)

I remember reading a thread months ago...I think by a FedEx pilot who observed a foreign (Asian if I recall) airline taking off without deicing while on a deadhead. Every reply was vilifying the flight crew and demanding they never fly on them again.

EWR doesn't deice anywhere near the runways, they do it near the terminals. You'd think someone riding in the back (a crewmember no less) would be a little bit aware of what was going on.

Just think how the replies would be in this thread if this wasn't a US crew represented by the almighty ALPA.

Originally Posted by Hurryage65 (Post 1558120)

I'm sure they were going to de ice, who said has to be at the gate. No PA omg the nerve!....your welcome for the ride!

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1558154)

Could be that the OP is a CFI new-hire who is still on IOE and had a knee-jerk over-reaction. Could also be he was an old-hand who was familiar with procedures at the airport in question and made a good call. Sounds like the later.

But if I was in doubt, I would speak up early too...wouldn't want to be trying to get the FA's attention when they take the runway.