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10-26-2017, 10:02 AM
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Will the banner go away if I agree to take the survey or do I need to wait till Nov 1
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10-27-2017, 03:21 AM
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I filled it out. I was brutally honest. Every question they asked, I thought of how the schedules and pairings have deteriorated. I thought of how many four leg nights we now have, with min rest. I thought of the ever increasing fatigue all of us night flyers deal with, because of optimized schedules.
Needless to say, my survey showed how our corporate stance on safety is only lip service.
What will they do with 4000 surveys that say the same thing? Another report not published for the membership to read I guess.
Needless to say, my survey showed how our corporate stance on safety is only lip service.
What will they do with 4000 surveys that say the same thing? Another report not published for the membership to read I guess.
10-27-2017, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by HDawg
Perhaps they could dust off the Enders Report.
Wasn't the Enders Report about the time we were having "industry leading" accidents and incidents? I always wondered if that report to satisfy the insurance company?
I don't recall the Enders Report ever being released to the crew force? I knew the guy that was the head of that survey committee from another airline and always wondered if I could have gotten an "underground" copy?
I've been to many industry and military safety schools. I don't EVER remember a "safety survey" in which the survey results weren't released to the minions? Maybe it was really bad?
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10-27-2017, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by urinmyseat
I thought of how many four leg nights we now have, with min rest. I thought of the ever increasing fatigue all of us night flyers deal with, because of optimized schedules.
Needless to say, my survey showed how our corporate stance on safety is only lip service.
Needless to say, my survey showed how our corporate stance on safety is only lip service.
Don't take this wrong, I'm not throwing stones at anyone.
I read your comments and wondered what the company would do if as many pilots called in fatigued as I hear claim that they are fatigued?
If the pairings or the revisions are really that fatiguing, then isn't it our duty to call in fatigued or are we just giving lip service to how bad and onerous the pairings are? Just a thought.
10-28-2017, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
Don't take this wrong, I'm not throwing stones at anyone.
I read your comments and wondered what the company would do if as many pilots called in fatigued as I hear claim that they are fatigued?
If the pairings or the revisions are really that fatiguing, then isn't it our duty to call in fatigued or are we just giving lip service to how bad and onerous the pairings are? Just a thought.
I read your comments and wondered what the company would do if as many pilots called in fatigued as I hear claim that they are fatigued?
If the pairings or the revisions are really that fatiguing, then isn't it our duty to call in fatigued or are we just giving lip service to how bad and onerous the pairings are? Just a thought.
This is my fourth airline, but my first that if a fatigue call was deemed justified, you got docked pay, or sick time. Other airlines pay you like you worked it if the call was justified.
The real kicker here is, I have often called in fatigued but the other crew has not. When on the 12th revision and third night in a row of min rest, it's time to stick together for safety.
10-28-2017, 06:38 AM
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I thought about not taking the survey, but I decided to do it.
It is very general, and from the last few questions, it is designed to be taken by anyone in the company. That means it went out to lots of folks, probably most of them not pilots.
This is not a pilot only survey, which is too bad.
Why?
Because our answers will be washed away by the masses.
If FedEx really wants to know how the pilots view safety, they should design a survey dedicated to flight operations, that is taken only by the pilots and perhaps mechanics.
It is very general, and from the last few questions, it is designed to be taken by anyone in the company. That means it went out to lots of folks, probably most of them not pilots.
This is not a pilot only survey, which is too bad.
Why?
Because our answers will be washed away by the masses.
If FedEx really wants to know how the pilots view safety, they should design a survey dedicated to flight operations, that is taken only by the pilots and perhaps mechanics.
10-28-2017, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightflyer
I thought about not taking the survey, but I decided to do it.
It is very general, and from the last few questions, it is designed to be taken by anyone in the company. That means it went out to lots of folks, probably most of them not pilots.
This is not a pilot only survey, which is too bad.
Why?
Because our answers will be washed away by the masses.
If FedEx really wants to know how the pilots view safety, they should design a survey dedicated to flight operations, that is taken only by the pilots and perhaps mechanics.
It is very general, and from the last few questions, it is designed to be taken by anyone in the company. That means it went out to lots of folks, probably most of them not pilots.
This is not a pilot only survey, which is too bad.
Why?
Because our answers will be washed away by the masses.
If FedEx really wants to know how the pilots view safety, they should design a survey dedicated to flight operations, that is taken only by the pilots and perhaps mechanics.
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