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BlueMoon 01-21-2018 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by flyfloats44 (Post 2507816)
Although I didn't come from another major, I had offers and chose FedEx--with the A-Plan being the major factor in that decision. I see the 9% B Fund as the hedge against the lack of a COLA in the A fund. I really don't get why the union is going down this path.

I came from a regional, had other potential options. The A-plan/B-plan hybrid was a large factor, as well as the deadheading/deviation, and no passengers/wanting to try something different.

I have 30 years left and I wish to Keep the A-plan. As mentioned, having to go out on medical leave will kill your b-plan contributions.

I really like the hybrid options we have now and wish to keep it that way.

Rum Runner 01-21-2018 10:30 AM

I left a legacy and chose FedEx due to:

1. Scheduling/line bidding/no PBS
2. A Fund. Especially, when combined with the B Fund
3. Ease of commute/deadheading options
4. Upper management
5. Boxes don't talk

I am a fan of our current hybrid plan, and would rather increase the B Fund to offset the A Fund. I really don't know why we would look at this outside of section 6.

Under no circumstance, do we ever contemplate PBS. Would kill our QOL.

Michael Honcho 01-21-2018 01:04 PM

Does anyone know the percentage of interviewees that have a PE?

gatorhater 01-21-2018 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by Rum Runner (Post 2507945)

Under no circumstance, do we ever contemplate PBS. Would kill our QOL.

I agree with many of your sentiments, not necessarily this one. If you had a PBS like Continental did or SkyWest has you’re right, it would kill this place. One like ASA/ExpressJet has on the CRJ side ain’t that bad. It is all in the work rules and programming that are negotiated. I’m not saying it would be easy, and some factions would certainly be upset (commuters to home city), but it can be done. May just not be worth the work. PBS gets a blanket bad name, but not all forms are bad.

Hacker15e 01-21-2018 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by gatorhater (Post 2508064)
I agree with many of your sentiments, not necessarily this one. If you had a PBS like Continental did or SkyWest has you’re right, it would kill this place. One like ASA/ExpressJet has on the CRJ side ain’t that bad. It is all in the work rules and programming that are negotiated. I’m not saying it would be easy, and some factions would certainly be upset (commuters to home city), but it can be done. May just not be worth the work. PBS gets a blanket bad name, but not all forms are bad.

We already know what PBS will look like on Purple property: secondary lines. They demonstrate to us every month how it will impact the various parts of the contract.

PBS will absolutely wreck the benefits of the vacation system.

I am a "NO" voter for PBS, period.

Nightflyer 01-21-2018 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by gatorhater (Post 2508064)
I agree with many of your sentiments, not necessarily this one. If you had a PBS like Continental did or SkyWest has you’re right, it would kill this place. One like ASA/ExpressJet has on the CRJ side ain’t that bad. It is all in the work rules and programming that are negotiated. I’m not saying it would be easy, and some factions would certainly be upset (commuters to home city), but it can be done. May just not be worth the work. PBS gets a blanket bad name, but not all forms are bad.

PBS will destroy our vacation system.

We have the best vacation system in the industry, why give it up?

We have the best retirement in the industry, why give it up?

Temocil27 01-21-2018 04:12 PM

I was hired last June and my previous 5 years in the airline biz used PBS. Line bidding was a bit cumbersome at first, but I turned a 9 day vacation into six weeks off. I'm a believer in line bidding to the death now.

Rum Runner 01-21-2018 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by gatorhater (Post 2508064)
I agree with many of your sentiments, not necessarily this one. If you had a PBS like Continental did or SkyWest has you’re right, it would kill this place. One like ASA/ExpressJet has on the CRJ side ain’t that bad. It is all in the work rules and programming that are negotiated. I’m not saying it would be easy, and some factions would certainly be upset (commuters to home city), but it can be done. May just not be worth the work. PBS gets a blanket bad name, but not all forms are bad.

PBS creates efficiencies for the company by removing conflicts with vacation, training, etc. It reduces the number of pilots that you need to operate the schedule, and therefore your rise up the seniority ladder would be slower. You can forget about 6 weeks off with 9 days of vacation as the last guy pointed out.

Granted, some airlines have it better than others. All depends on how it's negotiated. It would absolutely kill our vacation, regardless.

Take a look at our secondary line process if you want a glimpse at what it might look like.

The Walrus 01-21-2018 04:46 PM

Anyone who would even consider allowing PBS here should be required to bid a secondary line for six months prior to voting.

Nightflyer 01-21-2018 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by Temocil27 (Post 2508158)
I was hired last June and my previous 5 years in the airline biz used PBS. Line bidding was a bit cumbersome at first, but I turned a 9 day vacation into six weeks off. I'm a believer in line bidding to the death now.

When I was on the 777, and could bid 15 days in July, I could use 15 days and have 9 weeks off.

Bid a 12 day trip the first week of June, off the last two weeks.

5 weeks off in July.

Bid a 12 day trip the last week of August, first two weeks off.

You can't get 9 weeks off using 15 days vacation with PBS.


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