Great post, UA. I agree 100%.
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PBS gets a very bad rap due to poorly negotiated rules governing said system. We DO have PBS at purple and it sucks. In my view our secondary line bidding process needs to adopt many improvements.
-Transparency. We need access to the record generated by the award engine as it chugs through the pairings. We should be able to see who got a pairing ahead of us, why an available pairing was not awarded, and the order in which pairings were considered. -ability to knock out trips with vacation with similar results to line holders. -a round or two of practice awards to catch bidding errors and provide a degree of predictability to the process. -logic to control the amount we fly. We all don’t want to fly the same company generated average. There should be a credit window that allows for low and high credit line construction. -bid sheet logic to allow for “if not this than this” arguments. As it stands now it’s just a wishlist that tends to be all or nothing IMHO. To be clear I am not advocating PBS to replace our line bidding process. All of the above features and more were available to ASA pilots, so it can be done and we don’t have to reinvent the wheel. In the end I fear none of this will happen as the company has little interest in improving our “PBS” and so much of negotiation is a zero sum game... |
Communism would work well too....if only the right people were in charge.... :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by pilotnbr1
(Post 2508782)
To be clear I am not advocating PBS to replace our line bidding process. All of the above features and more were available to ASA pilots, so it can be done and we don’t have to reinvent the wheel.
In the end I fear none of this will happen as the company has little interest in improving our “PBS” and so much of negotiation is a zero sum game... They could make it the most kick-ass PBS anyone has ever seen and hope that people start warming up to it. In the meantime, at least we'll have a better secondary process. Or they could put a little lipstick on the pig we have and pretty much guarantee we'll never see it here. Regardless of how great guys coming from former PBS companies insist it can be, there are still a bunch of reason why it's a terrible idea.
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Can someone share the junior to senior base rankings? More importantly how long will it take to hold lax? Thanks.
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Can someone explain what PBS is and how it works, or link to an article that discusses it? When I google it, all that comes up is the television network.
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Originally Posted by Milflyer19
(Post 2508962)
Can someone share the junior to senior base rankings? More importantly how long will it take to hold lax? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude
(Post 2508543)
2. Retirement - The legacy I came from was contributing 15% to a DC plan at the time I left. I think that might be 17% now but I'm not sure. With our current A plan it takes just over $2.5 million dollars to generate the annual income and that is assuming between a 5 and 6 percent return. If we were dumb enough to rid ourselves of this plan then I have just given up $2.5 million dollars overnight. Unless my classmates from the legacy all have over $2.5 million plus whatever the company has contributed to my B fund in their retirement accounts at the 25 year mark then I count myself ahead because that is the intrinsic value of what my retirement will be worth at 25 years. Why would I be in favor of giving that up? I'm not. In fact, I am highly concerned about what is happening right now but I'm listening. I have flown with a few guys who say, "you have plenty of time to make it up." Why would I want to make it up? I only caring about getting further
-UA If you have already maxed out your A Plan benefit, no problem. If not, we are just going to freeze that 2.5 million benefit you talked about (that is also GUARANTEED), in exchange for a Plan where the pilot basically bears all of the risk. |
Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude
(Post 2508543)
With PBS it is likely you would have to drop the entire week, greatly decreasing flexibility. Remember, the whole point of PBS from The Company's perspective is to increase productivity and thereby reduce manning, i.e. costs. When manning is decreased because PBS makes us more efficient, there won't be sufficient reserves to cover drops. You'll own the trips you're awarded, no drops, no trades, no changes. PBS has often been compared to our Secondary Line construction. It's actually much worse. With PBS you'll get your trips and you'll like them, period. :o . |
Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
(Post 2508956)
Regardless of how great guys coming from former PBS companies insist it can be, there are still a bunch of reason why it's a terrible idea.
PBS is so wrong in so many ways as you described in your post, plus many other reasons. It’s bad when even the #1 pilot on the seniority list can’t hold their first choice, due to pilots junior to them only being able to hold the trips the #1 pilot wants, because of vacation and training. I know it’s hard to understand, but the computer doesn’t care about your seniority if the trip you want will only fit in a junior pilots schedule. It negates any seniority to fill everyone’s schedule as efficiently as possible. The PBS system is just a computer algorithm that tries to fill the seats. The system is programmed by the company for the company. No matter any transparency, or control you think you might have, the company pays for and will run the program. Transparency only allows you to see how bad you are getting screwed, and just makes you more frustrated. There is a huge learning curve on how to use PBS and many months to years of bad bidding going on before you even start to scratch the surface of all the “options” that you can ask for. You can very easily screw yourself. I was SO happy to come to a carrier that didn’t have PBS. I implore all FedEx pilots to say NO! to PBS! |
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