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I was talking my bud through this looking at his bid processing summary. He extended to 10 days. With the buffers, that resulted in 14 days affected by the vacation. On his summary calendar grid, he had "B" over the first two R-days removed as buffer days, "V" for the 7 vaca days, "X" on the next three R-days and "B" over the last two R-days.

He gets paid for 10 R-days (the 7 "V"s and 3 "X"s) and a total of 47:40 comes out of his vacation bank (10 x R-day value).

So, I don't see how he could get paid for 3 of the 4 Buffer days when the 3 "X" days indicating extension are clearly shown as different days from the buffers.

Maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying.

Well, technically, you don't have training in your calendar yet (assuming you're talking about recurrent). You bid for that now but it's not determined.

So, you slide, extend, expand, etc your vacation and that gets set first when the CIC window closes. THEN, they'll take your recurrent training bid and process that. Whatever training bid you can hold and is legal based on what you did to your vacation will then be awarded.

Ah, thanks I thought both vaca and training bid were in the CIC. So the training bid is actually in view/add...right on thanks.

No. Recurrent bid is in CIC as well. You need to have that in by Sat morning. But they will process your vacation inputs first, once the CIC window closes. Once your vacation is not longer a variable, your training bid is processed.

If you look under "Bid Period Processsing", there's a Conflict/Input Window column and to the right of that a View/Add/Secondary Window column. Those pretty much list all the various operations that are accomplished during each corresponding window.

Thank you!

You don’t get paid or use vacation for buffer R days that are removed. The buffers simply are free of duty. The R days dropped due to buffer are restored later on in reconstruction. Also, we won a grievance and later on in the month, when the month is active, CRS can NOT use their “move an R day” option to move an R day into your buffer. It remains free of duty when constructed, and during your active month. But, YOU can take an action during the active month that puts a make up trip into your buffer, though.

I guess it's two different ways of skinning the cat. If you want to make your vacation footprint as large as you can, do what your buddy did. However, the four days that were in the buffer will show up somewhere else in the month, where ever scheduling wants to put them outside of the buffers.

You do get paid for R-Days dropped by the buffer as long as they fall within the formula for the maximum hours to be paid. I bid an R-24 line with vacation (won't do that again), and did exactly that because I wanted the R-day blocks to stay the way they were. I got paid for the days that were in conflict with the buffer.

The math for Vacation Extension is in the contract. 7.G.3.e.

7.G.3 explains pretty clearly how your bank will be administered, what days will be dropped and paid and how to reconstruct.

So I still hear different opinions on this, if the vacation or slide touch any of my RA days does it drop the entire block of days? Or just the days it touches?

Whatever the bid processing summary shows you?