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Raptor 05-12-2018 10:10 PM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 2592798)
:confused: It does? I’ve looked a couple of times and my copy must be missing that section. ;)

I think that’s in appendix S

FXLAX 05-13-2018 12:39 PM

FedEx Jumpseat Staging vs Business Rules
 

Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 2592111)
Paragraph 1 states that we can use the jumpseat in accordance with the Pilot Benefit Book. The PBB further defines that a pilot can use a STAGING jumpseat to position himself to base for the start of his SCHEDULED TRIP (No harm, no foul) provided he meets the requirements of that section of the jumpseat policy.



What is the difference of banning something or being disciplined when not following the provisions of the CBA thus not protected?

Curious, why do you suppose the PBB which defines Staging as "a pilot who is commuting by air from their primary residence to their base" also requires your primary residence to be within 100 nautical miles of the FedEx ramp?

Doesn’t FCIF 18-0078 contradict the PBB?

Why is it that it requires your primary residence to be within 100 nautical miles of the Fedex ramp?

Also, when I read the PBB, it specifically says “Memphis” when referring to the no harm no foul policy. Why is that? Is there no protection to those using the Fedex Jumpseat to commute to their IND, ANC or LAX base?
” As detailed in the contract, Section 26.J.2., a pilot may use a Company staging
jumpseat to position himself in Memphis for the start of his scheduled trip (“No
Harm, No Foul”), provided he meets the requirements of that section and the Jumpseat policy.”


Lastly, why does this commuting policy need to be so complicated?

The Walrus 05-13-2018 02:49 PM

It's a built in sobriety test.

Adlerdriver 05-13-2018 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 2592111)
Paragraph 1 states that we can use the jumpseat in accordance with the Pilot Benefit Book. The PBB further defines that a pilot can use a STAGING jumpseat to position himself to base for the start of his SCHEDULED TRIP (No harm, no foul) provided he meets the requirements of that section of the jumpseat policy.

Read paragraph 1 of 26J in the CBA a little more closely. The only thing the reference to the PBB (and company j/s policy) discusses is access to the company jumpseats and booking procedures.

You omitted the fact that the PBB quote you cherry picked says the requirements to receive commuter protection are ALL contained in section 26 of the contract. The fact that it happens to use the word "staging" or "scheduled trip" means nothing. The contract and only the contract are controlling when it comes to meeting the requirements for commuter protection. Anything else in the PBB concerning commuter protection really doesn't matter. CBA 2015 is the source document for that protection - period - dot.


Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 2592111)
What is the difference of banning something or being disciplined when not following the provisions of the CBA thus not protected?

The difference is that banning something means it's prohibited and I'm not allowed to do it. If I violate that ban, I should be disciplined for that act of violation in and of itself. But, that's not what happens. No one gets disciplined for not following the commuter protection criteria in section 26. They only get disciplined if they actually miss the trip - not just for commuting without protection. Big difference.

If commuting outside the section 26 requirements was truly "banned", then I should be disciplined ever time I commute. Same thing for the 7 years I spent commuting to ANC. Someone from management should be waiting for me at the bottom of the stairs, ready to discipline me for regularly participating in "banned" behavior. But, that hasn't happened in over 10 years because it's not banned.

PurpleToolBox 05-13-2018 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 2593231)
Read paragraph 1 of 26J in the CBA a little more closely. The only thing the reference to the PBB (and company j/s policy) discusses is access to the company jumpseats and booking procedures.

You omitted the fact that the PBB quote you cherry picked says the requirements to receive commuter protection are ALL contained in section 26 of the contract. The fact that it happens to use the word "staging" or "scheduled trip" means nothing. The contract and only the contract are controlling when it comes to meeting the requirements for commuter protection. Anything else in the PBB concerning commuter protection really doesn't matter. CBA 2015 is the source document for that protection - period - dot.

The difference is that banning something means it's prohibited and I'm not allowed to do it. If I violate that ban, I should be disciplined for that act of violation in and of itself. But, that's not what happens. No one gets disciplined for not following the commuter protection criteria in section 26. They only get disciplined if they actually miss the trip - not just for commuting without protection. Big difference.

If commuting outside the section 26 requirements was truly "banned", then I should be disciplined ever time I commute. Same thing for the 7 years I spent commuting to ANC. Someone from management should be waiting for me at the bottom of the stairs, ready to discipline me for regularly participating in "banned" behavior. But, that hasn't happened in over 10 years because it's not banned.

I never cherry picked anything. I copied the definition of staging as it is stated in the PBB. In debating this situation I didn't even know the CBA referenced the PBB. As another implied, I now see how the FCIF on the new jumpseat system and the PBB contradict one another. I did ask the question what is the difference between banning something and not having protection. Your explanation was very good.

I concede, jumpseating to a long haul trip or into reserve isn't "banned." although I never used the word banned. I just asked what's the difference.

However, if you're a new hire and do this, you may certainly be fired for it.

They fired four people in HKG after assuring them they weren't the ones the company was going after.

I don't trust this company. The lawyers have taken over. They've exploited our CBA and no morals to follow it the way it was intended and negotiated.

While they're having these nice meet and greets, people coming to this company should know what they're getting and the rest of the story. Don't be a Tom Cruise and accept the job because everyone talked about how awesome it is here while ignoring what is very wrong -- stuff which absolutely wouldn't fly anywhere else.

This very discussion proves how cracked up things can be here.

kronan 05-14-2018 06:32 AM

The HKG 4.

They weren't Fired because they were jumpseating into work. They were fired because they demonstrably maintained their primary residence somewhere Other than HKG while collecting Housing Assitance.
At least 1 of the 4 had a spouse that really didn't help out matters...a who are you to tell me Where I have to Live FedEx and while the individual had the Intent to fully relocate as outlined in the CBA it didn't happen.

There were more than 4 folks targeted by the Lawyers, but they accepted the "plea deal" and maintained employment. (eg FedEx has many components and the Air Ops branch with SCP\FCs do NOT have the power some assume they do)

There are Things at Every Company which wouldn't Fly here at FedEx.

The Complaints about FedEx Reserve System-valid. But at no Pax Airline is there a 60 second guarantee of arrival.

The work rules are Different at every 121 carrier, not simply FARs.
I, personally, think FedEx's DH options for Commuters are the best in the industry. Home Basing would be nice....but, would that impact on Pay for those of us lucky enough to occasionally hold trips starting\ending with a Scheduled DH to\from home. And wouldn't the Deviation bank on those trips be 0 since company didn't have to buy a ticket.

Our Catering benefits are better. Foods not always great, but it's pretty much always an option so I don't have to wake up an hour early just to eat...and, unlike many of my friends, I've never brought a cooler with my lunch into work.

There are certainly pluses\minuses for every company.

PurpleToolBox 05-14-2018 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by kronan (Post 2593553)
The HKG 4.

They weren't Fired because they were jumpseating into work.

There are certainly pluses\minuses for every company.

I know they weren't fired over jumpseating. I brought it up as an example where people thought, and in some cases were told they were in compliance, yet the company fired some anyways.

Recently we've seen the company send a notice to all pilots warning against using a home of record which isn't your real home of record.

The company also sent out a message regarding checking the box for when deviating/commuting to and from your home on a company paid ticket for tax purposes.

One particular chief pilot did remove two pilots who commuted into long haul. Both were given warning letters.

And now the company recently updated the jumpseat priorities with a few examples.

Call me a conspiracy theorists and that's fine with me. But it wouldn't surprised me if these friendly reminders to pilots about how to jumpseat and commute aren't for a good reason. Perhaps another HKG4 like event coming soon?

As I said in the other thread, I wish I never even mentioned jumpseating.

Flyinhigh 05-14-2018 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 2593595)
I know they weren't fired over jumpseating. I brought it up as an example where people thought, and in some cases were told they were in compliance, yet the company fired some anyways.

Recently we've seen the company send a notice to all pilots warning against using a home of record which isn't your real home of record.

The company also sent out a message regarding checking the box for when deviating/commuting to and from your home on a company paid ticket for tax purposes.

One particular chief pilot did remove two pilots who commuted into long haul. Both were given warning letters.

And now the company recently updated the jumpseat priorities with a few examples.

Call me a conspiracy theorists and that's fine with me. But it wouldn't surprised me if these friendly reminders to pilots about how to jumpseat and commute aren't for a good reason. Perhaps another HKG4 like event coming soon?

As I said in the other thread, I wish I never even mentioned jumpseating.

Yes, a lot of people wish you had not mentioned jumpseating.

FXLAX 05-14-2018 12:30 PM

FedEx Jumpseat Staging vs Business Rules
 

Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 2593595)
The company also sent out a message regarding checking the box for when deviating/commuting to and from your home on a company paid ticket for tax purposes.


So when are we supposed to check the box or leave it unchecked? When was this message and where can I find it?

pinseeker 05-14-2018 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 2593595)

The company also sent out a message regarding checking the box for when deviating/commuting to and from your home on a company paid ticket for tax purposes.

That is only if you using a company paid ticket to get from home to your domicile, i.e. MEM or from your domicile to home.


Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 2593829)
So when are we supposed to check the box or leave it unchecked? When was this message and where can I find it?

It's the box in the expense report.


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